French Animal Torture
On one of my (many) trips back from London Village on the train to Leeds, I once found myself sat next to a moderately attractive young lady. She put her laptop on and faffed around a bit, then made a phone call, speaking in relatively hushed tones with her hand round the handset, however I was sat net to her so could hear the whole thing. Nothing new here, overhearing a phone call on a train I hear you mock.

Turns out she was French.

Turns out she didn't realise that some people in England can speak/understand French.

Turns out that what she thought was a nice private conversation in French wasn't that private, because after she had hung up the call, I proceeded to ask her, in French, for some more details on her current work at Huntingdon Life Sciences. Turns out they were leaving some pooches with, frankly, destroyed livers.

Embarassed her much?

Yup
( ogwen69 has returned from Reddit, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 9:50, 24 replies)

Oh no! Not the howwid animal testers.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 9:56, closed)

Not animal testing?
oh the shame, the horror, the wet jigsaw puzzles.
(Clashrock is being stalked by his brother on, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 10:30, closed)

I'm thoroughly against medical testing on animals
It's so cruel and unnecessary

What? Oh yes, I'll have the steak sandwich, please
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 10:41, closed)

Oh don't get me wrong
I enjoy a steak sandwich as much as the next person

I also SPECTACULARLY benefit from certain drugs which keep me alive.

Howeveve the TOTAL disregard that she was showing for ANY suffering on behalf of the pooch was, shall I say, surprising...
( ogwen69 has returned from Reddit, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 10:52, closed)

If she'd been upset by the animals' suffering,
she'd have probably been in the wrong job.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 11:05, closed)

That is the most selfrighteous justification ever
She probably sat next to you for the rest of the journey thinking 'what a twat.' Animal testing is medically necessary, why on earth would you expect her to be in tears over it?
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 13:47, closed)

It is not medically necessary
It is one way we choose to test these things, and while you could argue a medical necessity, a scientific necessity is a completely different matter

And i'm not picking on HLS, just that's where she worked.

(it was actually quite an interesting conversation to be fair)
( ogwen69 has returned from Reddit, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 14:19, closed)

That opening sentence is utterly incoherent.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 14:21, closed)

if it was up to me (which is should be)
i would give people who think it is unnecessary the choice: it's either you or the dog. see how against animal testing they are then
(Clashrock is being stalked by his brother on, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 14:27, closed)

yes it is
It's medically necessary. It's legally necessary. It displays an astounding lack of knowledge of the subject to suggest otherwise.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 17:21, closed)

Legally?
Pray explain LEGALLY necessary?

Edit: and if you mean that we have a law that says stuff should be tested on animals first, then that is because that is a choice that we as society have made. Not a neessity in my eyes.
( ogwen69 has returned from Reddit, Sat 27 Aug 2011, 8:22, closed)

Because
if you administer new types of drugs to people without having any idea of their safety, and someone dies, you're guilty of criminal negligence or even manslaughter?

You rely on her disconnectedness from that dog's suffering for your modern medicines. Stop taking medicines that were ever tested on animals, or stfu.
( greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Sun 28 Aug 2011, 19:50, closed)

So...
not legally Necesary then, just one option that we choose.
( ogwen69 has returned from Reddit, Mon 29 Aug 2011, 18:31, closed)

No
It is a legal requirement to test all drugs for human consumption on animals.

Pregnant animals, in fact, to avoid a repeat of the thalidomide disaster that so many anti-testers try to use as an example of why animal testing isn't needed when in fact it proves quite the opposite. It wasn't the animal testing that failed, it was the fact that the right tests weren't carried out.

edit: And if you are going to use your argument that a legal requirement is a choice we make then I am going to call bullshit on your argument and stop engaging with you because you are clearly a moron.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Tue 30 Aug 2011, 12:03, closed)

Well let's all have a moment's silence for the poor dead dog























*cough*



























*mutter*

*ssshhh*



























that long enough?
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 15:19, closed)

Fucking hell,
You coughed. We meed to start again...
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 15:25, closed)

Are you sure..
..she didn't say Steve Jobs and not Le Dogs ??
( Signify, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 10:55, closed)

They were getting dogs really drunk?

(TheManWithThePlan cussed your mum on, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 13:35, closed)

Incidentally, I'd like to call "unlikely" on this
or maybe your French isn't as good as you think.

While dogs are an acceptable human hepatic and renal model, we almost never use them in this country. Because we have a frankly bizarre public attitude here that rates sacrificing dogs as "worse than hitler" we tend to use marmosets or rhesus monkeys for that kind of stuff.

Of course, that doesn't stop PETA constantly making shit up about HLS or Gillette or whoever the fuck they fancy having a pop at next.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 26 Aug 2011, 17:28, closed)

I love animals.
They're delicious.
(Vigilante Man weeps because you're stupid., Fri 26 Aug 2011, 20:02, closed)

This ^^
If the animal cruelty is for a genuinely useful reason then I'm ok with it. If it's for something stupid then I'm against it.
To quote Frankie Boyle: Let's see how many fruit pastilles it takes to choke a kestrel
(wehttamman via B3ta for microwave, Sat 27 Aug 2011, 5:44, closed)

Mmmmm...
Sauteed dogs liver in a red wine jus.

That's what she was talking about, right??
( Hunter Stockton was murdered by a bicycle wielding axolotl,.,.,.,., Sat 27 Aug 2011, 19:13, closed)

I'm totally against animal testing
They get all stressed and can't answer the questions correctly.
( SteamedCleaner, Sat 27 Aug 2011, 7:04, closed)

Maybe they were trying to make canine foie gras?

( 4Q just lurking, Sun 28 Aug 2011, 4:56, closed)