Amazing how racism is frowned upon...
Yet worldwide immigration policies, are very their very nature.. Racist.

If I owned a cafe, and noted a difference between the habits between Spanish People and English people who come in there. Spanish people will sit and only order 1 cup of coffee and spend hours there. Using table space, using resource. The British will sit and order 3 or 4 coffee and leave again pretty quickly. They are very good for business. Whereas the Spanish drag behind.
So if I decided to ban Spanish people from entering my cafe, in order to allow more British people in there who will spend more money. I would be deemed a racist. Probably get shut down by the authorities. Get my place burned down.

But this is the basic principle worldwide immigration policies are built upon. Generalisation based on where people are born. It does not matter that a British person might come in and not spend any money and use the resource. No no no that’s fine. But a Spanish person who wants to come in and spend lots of money and help the establishment would get turned away.

Call me ignorant, naive, if you like. But from what I see under all the legal bullcrap This is the basic principle.

World - You’re doing it wrong!
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 14:26, 45 replies)

I'd cross a Wall's Vienetta with a spotted dick.

(PERSONALITY HORSE Graham Tapes - free download album - coming soon, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 14:27, closed)

You are ignorant and naive. If you owned a cafe it would be the worst cafe ever and noone would go there.

(PR1CKBOT IS ONLINE, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 14:34, closed)

Yet so for example the United States have similar rules in regards to going to their country.
Yet they get a heap of tourists per year going there. Would you not go there because of their discrimination against certain people because of where they born and generalisation?
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 15:43, closed)

But what if Noone is a big spender?

( number5 has been fighting tramps and losing., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 17:37, closed)

Then you'd let them all in.

(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Thu 3 Nov 2011, 10:30, closed)

But if we let forrins in then they'd take away my job. Not only that, no forrin is going to read B3ta, none of them speak Good Proper English!
(chuckle_h0und You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 14:52, closed)

When you're done there
The Aussie'll come into the cafe, drink 8 beers. Get belligerent about fucking asylum seekers getting the jam roll & public housing then stagger out calling you a Wanker.
The Westie Lebo's will come in & gang rape your waitress.
Could you remedy this with your well thought-out immigration plan please.
(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 14:57, closed)

Well of course..
Because some Aussies will get drunk and cause trouble. Then ALL Australian wanting to come to my cafe must obtain a visa and background checks before theyre allowed in.
As for the Westie Lobos. Well we would consider any personal attack on the people who run the cafe completely dangerous and therefore Westie Lobos are instantly denied access.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 15:45, closed)

but if it is only male Westie Lebos (he's being racist against the Lebanese)
what get all rapey - surely you could still let the females in?
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 0:01, closed)

Sexist bitch!

(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 3 Nov 2011, 2:34, closed)

There's no limit on EU immigration to the UK, btw
No Spanish person would be turned away from the UK. Or any other EU resident. Non-EU immigration tends to be a different thing altogether

I won't bother calling you ignorant or naive. No point, really...
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 15:06, closed)

I was using the spanish british as an example for two reasons.
1. The Spanish are known to cuddle empty cups of coffees for hours on end sitting in establishments.
2. British and Spanish both being part of the lovely EU arent normally disguinished from each other from an immigration point of view. So therefore using the two adds more woo factor.

I dont really own a cafe, nor do i intend to. I'm just trying to make a point that those sort of ruled are illegal and socially unacceptable. Yet the same principles are used in regards to which countries people can go to, and this is perfectly acceptable.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 15:42, closed)

So where in your coffee shop analogy do Macbook users stand?
( AWPS, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 16:07, closed)

The same principles?
That Spanish people take longer over coffee? Which, by the way, is a gross generalisation about a specific ethnicity: pretty much the definition of racism. So as well as failing to understand immigration, you're also a bit racist
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 16:30, closed)

Congratulations youre getting to the crux of my post.
Gross generalisation and therefore racist.

Now, go and ask the UK Border people why South African nationals require a visa to enter the United Kingdom, yet United States nationals dont.
When you are given the gross generalisation answer you can also refer to them as racist.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 16:55, closed)

But Americans do need a Visa to work in the Uk?
It's only if they're coming for a short visit that they don't need one. Plus there's the whole British government kissing America's arse thing.
(Nightviolet, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 19:04, closed)

If you're going to try and explain everything he doesn't understand
You're going to be here an awfully long time
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 19:08, closed)

Nononono
You're racist. Not immigration policy (which you still don't understand by the way). Just you. Congratulations for completely missing the point
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 19:05, closed)

Australia'a immigration policy is awesome.
well, it will be if we can get the thing of the ground.

See, what happened is that the US got bitchy because some funny little brown man was sick of their racist attitude towards his entire region.

So he asked them to cut the shit out, they refused. So he declared war and knocked down a couple of buildings.
The US, right, then got all their white mates together (notably including Ausfailure) and stormed across several countries in the region, bombing, burning and destroying the infrastructure.
The population, not wishing to try and continue their lives in the shit-fight that used to be their country, now make their way to SE Asia - journeys that would make your hair turn white. In Indonesia, they charter broken-down fishing boats to take them to a new home in sunny Ausfailure. These boats have a nasty habit of disappearing completely. You'd have to be utterly desperate to set foot on one.

When they arrive in Aus, we stick the bastards in jail. Kids and all. We are trying to organise a deal to send them to jails in Malaysia instead so we don't have to smell their foreign stench.

That is racism is immigration for ya - right there.
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 0:14, closed)

Bit behind on the times there
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7530156.stm

If you're gonna set up a straw man, at least make it slightly hard to knock down. The point is that trying to control immigration isn't racist in itself - the way it's implemented can be, however. That's down to the specific government in question. In this case, before the changes, the Ozzy government were being a far-too-heavy-handed bunch of cunts. No argument. But that doesn't mean that every attempt to control immigration by a country (any country) is automatically racist. Like I say, you're putting up a straw man
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 1:25, closed)

Ummm - that story what you posted was from 2008.
Don't call me 'behind the times'.
Fucksakes, man.

refugeeaction.org.au/malaysia-solution/

And you call yourself a lawyer? Can any partially shaved gibbon set up practise, then?

I didn't put up a straw man at all, I just narrated a pretty-much non-disputable sequence of facts. Would references help, bitch?

peace and light
x
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 2:23, closed)

You mean references like this one?
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/04/australia-failure-malaysia-solution-refugees

I think my comment of 'behind the times' still stands pretty strongly. Oh, and I doubt you actually understand the concept of a 'Straw man' argument. Don't worry, it takes a lawyers brain to understand. Or, at the least, a partially functioning one.

Oh, and funnily enough we actually introduced a partially shaved gibbon to the firm last year - he's doing pretty well, but we've told him he'll need to be fully shaved if he ever wants to be partner. I showed him your posts, and he just shook his head then threw shit at the screen. I tend to agree with him
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 2:38, closed)

It aint over, sugarplum.
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/government-introduces-legislation-to-revive-its-malaysia-solution-proposal/story-e6freuy9-1226142476084

You didn't see that coming?

I hope you cleaned up after your monkey promptly? I imagine the horrific reek of rotten excrement would only serve as a warning to your clients as to whatever second rate thinking they may expect from you.

p.s."... a lawyers brain to understand."
(apostrophe)

p.p.s hehe "...a lawyers brain to understand."
(preposterous)
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 3:56, closed)

Oh dear
"However the government's efforts are doomed to fail, with the Coalition and the Greens set to vote against the changes."

Lifted wholesale from your own source. Did you bother to actually read it? I wouldn't mock a lawyers (no apostrophe) brain if I was you - seems you aren't doing much better
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 4:32, closed)

I have more faith in the ability of my leaders to be totalitarian, facist, unfeeling cunts who blithely ignore the will of the people
because I live here and see the fall-out daily.

You? You blindly drag up a 3 year-old link, and then try and support it with a 6 month-old link - all the while ignoring my respectfully worded requests for you to actually research this issue in a thorough & bipartisan way?
Shall I post the links from the last 6 hours to push it through your most naive and ignorant of skulls that this issue is very much raging in the current debate and is going forward?

would ya like that boy, would ya? huh?
Aww bless, he thinks he's people =)

*edit* but I don't not like gibbons (who doesn't not like Gibbons?)! and I don't mean for any of this terrible offensiveness to be Gibbonest in any way, shape or form. Free the gibbons!
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 4:56, closed)

Hahaha, oh dear
Looks like you've became upset, online. It's only the internet

For the record, I couldn't give a flying fuck about Australia, Malaysia or their respective immigration policies. Not one. And I have no interest in learning anything about them, just to propagate some pointless internet argument. I'm just using this as a break from writing this report I need to finish by tomorrow - you've been a lovely distraction, by the way. Most amusing. Thanks for that

I'll be honest, I don't know what you were expecting to achieve here. I wasn't even talking about Australia or Malaysia at the start - my point was that immigration control in general and by itself isn't racist. A point which still stands, and has nothing to do with what you've been bleating on about. See 'Straw man argument' referred to earlier. I think you really need to stop taking it all so seriously, by the way. Maybe go for a walk, leave the keyboard behind. Or just continue to wind yourself up over words on a screen - it's all gravy to me

"peace and light
x"
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 5:06, closed)

I, too, enjoyed our most spirited of exchanges.
because gibbons.
(Gritty, yet fluffy. kipperpillock is obsessed with me =), Thu 3 Nov 2011, 5:09, closed)

Indeed
Till next time

*doffs cap*
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 5:11, closed)

It's true though
I live in Spain, am married to one of these aforementioned Spaniards and they drive me mad taking 3 hours to drink a tiny pointless cup of coffee. So there. We, on the other hand, drive THEM mad offering shit coffee in massive cups.
(The Apeface Cherub is not a cunty-uber-cunt, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 8:44, closed)

So true
I used to live in Italy and they are the same with all drinks. They always used to look at me as if I were mad when I'd ask for another cappuccino, but after five I could see why. I was twitchy as a muthafucka! Bastards.
(Mr Fudge It shouldn't be illegal to have sex with an eagle, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 11:58, closed)

So your saying you don't understand why racism is frowned upon due to the imaginary Spanish customers in your imaginary cafe?
Wow.

Fucking wow.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 16:49, closed)

Shit. That's twice in a week.
My disagreeable gland is clearly broken.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 16:56, closed)

Isn't immigration policy jingoism rather than racism?
I bloody hate those Jings.
( number5 has been fighting tramps and losing., Wed 2 Nov 2011, 17:44, closed)

I do so hope that you were wearing a Che t-shirt, as you typed this.

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 19:08, closed)

is not racist as such. A persons race has nothing to do with whether they are allowed in to a country - its their nationality that is discriminated against. The Spanish are not a race of people but a nationality comprising of many races.

That said it all gets blurred when you look at countries such as Indian, Pakistan, China, etc. The Chinese are both a race and a nationality. I'm going to argue this out with myself for a while....

OK you are all cunts and no one should be let into my cafe.
( sutit only the crumbliest, flakiest posts, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 20:30, closed)

Look, the point is that immigration policy doesn't discriminate by race, nationality, or anything else
It's a blanket policy - the UK's policy is based on non-EU immigration. Nothing to do with being Chinese, Indian, Australian, whatever.

The reasons behind having an immigration policy are also nothing to do with race - it's all about Labour market economics. An uncontrolled increase in the supply of labour can have unwelcome effects - depression of wages, higher levels of unemployment, etc etc. Governments seek to control these factors, as they can have knock-on effects for the rest of the economy. It's nothing to do with Spanish people taking longer to drink coffees or any other fuckwitted analogy. Plain and simple
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 21:08, closed)

Don't get me wrong...
I said it was not about about race, I was just making a point that there is a difference between race and nationality.

We discriminate (literal meaning of the word, rather than any derogatory meaning) at our borders against every nationality apart from the EU nations. This may well be for the reasons you describe.

There was criticism of the immigration and citizenship acts that formed the basis of UK immigration law. The British Nationality Act in 1981 was very contentious as it concerned the commonwealth and ex colonies.

I don't know enough about this though to really say much else
( sutit only the crumbliest, flakiest posts, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 2:02, closed)

Fuck, it was the 80s
Thatcher screwed pretty much everyone equally - best thing you could say about her. When it came to fucking people over, she rarely discriminated
(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 2:39, closed)

Apart from Dennis...

(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 3 Nov 2011, 4:14, closed)

Poor old bastard

(Godwin's Lawyer is more evil than Hitler, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 4:46, closed)

You class-judging ageist you!

(Misery McUglywife an attention seeking sociopathic fuckstain., Thu 3 Nov 2011, 6:00, closed)

she took my milk away
and just like the angostura I am bitter
( sutit only the crumbliest, flakiest posts, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 10:53, closed)

Its not a exactly a blanket policy.
Even for visiting as tourists.. Some countries have a harder time getting in than others.
If youre born in Spain you can walk into the UK without answering a single question.
If youre born in the United States then you can walk into the UK saying "Im here to see Big Ben, and Im going home next week"
If you're born in South Africa you gotta prat applying for visas hoping they'll let you in.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Thu 3 Nov 2011, 10:36, closed)

click.
Everyone spends an enormous amount of time trying to make it not racist, but it kind of is.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Wed 2 Nov 2011, 23:59, closed)

They do?
Thank [deity] you were here to point this out.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 9:19, closed)