Not my thing,
but I've seen it done. Try telling a feminist activist type that rape allegations and convictions aren't the same thing and you're guaranteed one hell of a reaction.
(StapMyVitals wouldn't mind a bit of that, Sun 22 May 2011, 19:06, 15 replies)

A reaction like "Well done. You have a rudimentary grasp of English."?

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 22 May 2011, 19:32, closed)

Similar
but with marginally more explosive fury at, for example, "a corrupt and patriarchal legal system that paints rape victims as cheap slags who had it coming, for which you're clearly a credulous apologist".
(StapMyVitals wouldn't mind a bit of that, Sun 22 May 2011, 19:44, closed)

Imagine how they'd react if you suggested it's sometimes falsely allegated in order to incite hatred/violence/other misfortune against a particular individual.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Sun 22 May 2011, 22:20, closed)

I like this

(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 6:50, closed)

I would consider myself, as you have so condescendingly described it, a 'feminist activist type'
And I think you're doing most reasonable feminists (suprise, that is actually most feminists!)a bit of a disservice and playing into a tired stereotype of feminists all being irrational 'feminazis'. There is a major difference between rape allegations and convictions, I would agree with you without any kind of outrage at all. I would be interested to hear what your point was in making that statement though, and then I might feel a little more annoyed. But then again, maybe you have a valid point and I won't feel annoyed at all. It's so crazy how my lady brain can be rational, just like yours!
(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 6:50, closed)

I think I troll for the majority when I say we're going to need to see boobies I am afraid.
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Mon 23 May 2011, 6:58, closed)

Uh uh,
Never feed a troll- that's like, rule number one. So no boobies for you.
(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 7:36, closed)

see not eat!
( enoughblueskyforsailorstrousers, Mon 23 May 2011, 7:47, closed)

Too bad, you can't do that with them either.

(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 7:51, closed)

Well, bear in mind this is a question of trolling
so the idea of patronisingly stating the obvious is to sarcastically imply that the person doesn't know this and should. It refers to the perceived tendency of feminists, and women, to treat alleged rapists as 'guilty until proven innocent, and even then probably guilty but lucky'.

The troll in this scenario is rebuking a stereotypical viewpoint that they have attributed without evidence to said feminist. The baiting here is twofold, firstly implying in an infuriatingly fallacious manner that the target is stupid, and secondly (depending on the temperaments of the troller and trollee) opening up the possibility of the introduction of the viewpoint that, as the justice system is satisfactory and anyone not found guilty is innocent, people not convicted of rape must necessarily be falsely accused and that the accusers are mean-spirited liars who understand that allegations of rape can utterly raze a man's reputation. I understand that argument can rub people up the wrong way.

These aren't my views. I would be an ardent feminist if I had but the intelligence. As it is I use my status as a thicko to understand what stupid people think.
(StapMyVitals wouldn't mind a bit of that, Mon 23 May 2011, 11:34, closed)

It was the tacking on at the end of 'expect a hell of a reaction' which made what you were saying seem as if you found it funny (and true) that feminists would blow their top immediately at the statement. Like you might not do it but thought it was funny how the silly wimmins would get all worked up over someone saying something which is yes, patronising and sarcastic! Can you see how it would come across that way?

I had a look at your other posts and agreed with you on your top rated one, and was interested to see that you actually identified as feminist. But this post comes across as encouraging the trolling of feminists (which happens a lot, and isn't all that funny: tigerbeatdown.com/2010/12/18/mooreandme-four-days-outside-the-tower-im-scared-im-tired-im-crying-and-i-wont-stop/) and buying into believing the stereotyped reaction that you'll get(i.e. angry, irrational), which I thought was unfair.
(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 11:45, closed)

The truth....
They especially hate it when you inform them that rape statistics are uniquely manipulated and that the 8% conviction rate is a myth.

When any crime (apart from rape) is recorded its of how many cases get to court and are convicted.

Rape is recorded from convictions after being reported to the police. It doesn't take into account cases that have no evidence so aren't brought to court, the 'victim' admitting making up false claims, the police finding the person is talking shit in the first place etc.

When the way statistics are brought into line with the others the conviction rate is over 50% (IIRC) and if all other crimes are recorded like rape then the percentage of murder is something like 4%, theft is 11% etc.

Its been a year since I last looked into the exact numbers but don't be suckered into false and bad statistics.
(DenningLJ keeps his gavel in his pants, Mon 23 May 2011, 8:33, closed)

"cases that have no evidence so aren't brought to court, the 'victim' admitting making up false claims, the police finding the person is talking shit in the first place etc".
I really really take issue with how much emphasis you put on cases not ending in conviction because the woman was lying.
The cases of women lying about being raped are about the same as any other crime, like murder or burglary, and that percentage is 1- 2% (This is an American statistic). But people, usually women, who accuse someone of raping them are disproportionally labeled as liars when compared to people who make claims about murder or burglary.
57% of respondents to a poll from a French newspaper believe that DSK was the victim of a trap-i.e. 57% of people in a poll believed, on no real evidence, that the woman was lying.
That is is not just believing that DSK could be innocent, it is DIRECTLY DISBELIEVING THE WORD OF SOMEONE WHO IS SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED.
This is a major problem, as it sends a message to women which says that if they report a rape they will not necessarily be believed. This is why a huge number of rapes are not even reported to police in the first place.
So please don't trivialise rape as a problem and say that most rapes are justly punished and therefore nothing for 'feminists' (I put that in quotes because really anyone should care about people being raped!)to get 'all het up about'. Which is the impression I got from your post.
(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 9:07, closed)

re: DSK - perhaps it will have this kind of happy ending
An ironically amusing sequence of events that happened in my industry:

1) Bloke works for the industry regulator as head of security.
2) Bloke resigns. Soon afterwards, said Bloke is the star of a BBC documentary claiming corruption is widespread and the regulator is turning a blind eye.
3) It is implied that he left due to frustration and a desire to blow the whistle.
4) Unfortunately for him, in the excitement of his crusade Bloke seems to have forgotten the real reason for his departure.
5) His former employer goes public and discloses that he was forced out for being the office lech.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/3035957/Jockey-Club-break-their-silence-on-Buffham.html

It's a happy ending but also a sad one, because if he hadn't been so desperate for attention then his public reputation would have been unsullied. I've often wondered how many other Blokes are getting away with this kind of shit.
(slowly play it cool, Trig, Mon 23 May 2011, 10:52, closed)

Yeah it makes you wonder huh- especially with things like this journalist who has come out saying DSK tried to assault her years ago, but she didn't report it because her mother didn't want to damage his reputation or their family friendship or whatever. Because that is more important than defending your daughter's right to bodily autonomy, or something. It's sad thinking about the things which people who are powerful and well- connected can get away with.
(Mr._F is not actually a man- this username is a lie!, Mon 23 May 2011, 11:00, closed)