Why?

( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:34, archived)

A bunch
of cunts campaigning for something they don't believe in because a bunch of celebrities told them to, all gathering in one place, it' a terrorists dream.

And they borrowed the money they should fucking pay it back
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:40, archived)

www.b3ta.com/talk/612437
( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:42, archived)

Im personally looking forward to the debt being cancelled
Now Mr Mugabe and Co wont have those nasty banks on their back as they continue to cause as much trouble as they ever did
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:42, archived)

Or those less dictator-type people
who can't afford decent public services because they're so busy trying to pay the debt back.
( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:44, archived)

Most of them are corrupt

( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:45, archived)

So you'd rather have things stay as they are?

( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:46, archived)

I can honestly say
I couldnt give a monkeys, id much rather we did something about the people in our own country first....but then again im not really bothered about that either..

/Meh at jumped up armchair liberals with their comfortable lifestyles engaging the righteous indignation switch
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:48, archived)

I'm usually fairly policital
and a lefty! But I agree with mykey here

We've got problems enough of our own to sort out first

Edit: I love how people get so jumped up about this, but will walk straight past a Big Issue seller, and totally ignore a homeless man asking for a few pence.
(Naughty Tortoise, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:35, archived)

Don't really give
a fuck they're thousands of miles away.
The only people I know in Africa are white and living very comfortable lives.
I'm sure when you're an OAP and have no state pension, you'll regret spending so much money on rainforet rabbits.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:51, archived)

*snorts*
But at least their principles will have been kept... even if they do starve:p
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:52, archived)

"They're thousand of miles away, so they don't count as people".

( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:52, archived)

Thats rubbish
Ginger people live in our country too
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:54, archived)

Quotation marks
are for direct quotes. What I was saying was that they are thousand of miles away, so they don't affect my life.

I rather enjoy being in a G8 country, you're welcome to go and live elsewhere.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:56, archived)

LIBYA!

( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:57, archived)

You're a selfish bastard.

( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:58, archived)

Whatever.
People are people whether they're 1000 miles away or 5 minutes down the road.
( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:06, archived)

Rainforest rabbits...
You want to go here. I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome.
(Small Beer, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:52, archived)

www.b3ta.com/talk/612437
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:53, archived)

Jesus fuck.
People are fucking dying for no good reason, you twat, and anything that anyone can possibly do about it has to be a good thing.
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:56, archived)

So giving Mugabe
more money is justified because some other leaders will get money for public services?
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:47, archived)

I'm not saying that won't happen.
I am saying less people will die and Africans will have a chance at a better life.

So you'd rather let those with good intent starve as well as those under Mugabe?
( ArthurTheRat, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:49, archived)

www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L20595723.htm
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:51, archived)

Any major change in Africa
has to come from Africa itself.
The West can't really do much, aside from changing the trade laws to make it fairer and the basic humanitarian aid to the worst-affected parts.
Throwing cheques at the problem isn't going to make it go away, and all Live8 will do is boost the reputation of pop stars and make middle-class students feel good about themselves.

But that doesn't mean that you're not a cunt.
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:54, archived)

I just wish Geldof would die

( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:56, archived)

Anyone who calls their daughter
Fifi Trixibelle deserves hideous body mutilation and arsecunting with a large hammer.
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:00, archived)

This.
Even the cunt part.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:58, archived)

but the people who are marching to show their support for sorting it
deserve to be bombed? Hope you were nice to Dekazer last time you spoke to her.

There are b3tans on the Edinburgh march.
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:01, archived)

I've never
spoken to Dekazer.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:02, archived)

Also, im wondering what happens when the debts been cancelled
And then they start to run up more debt... cancel that again?
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:08, archived)

Yeah But Dekazer is a psuedohippy
She doesnt count;)
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:02, archived)

I agree.
But it's not throwing cheques at it.

If you cancel the debt (which isn't done without strict conditions on where that money goes) then the country can start building it's infrastructures again, investing etc.

Some people talking about Africa as if it's one country with one president! It's not.
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:59, archived)

Or the leader
can get a nice new jet.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:01, archived)

Arf!
Its not like the leaders are going to say 'Golly now we've got no debt we should really change our corrupt genocidal ways' is it...

edit: news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/25/wnig25.xml
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:04, archived)

Yes, there are corrupt leaders,
but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help those countries with diplomatic governments whose people are suffering because of debt and unfair trade laws.
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:08, archived)

Agreed
But we would be giving money to all of them, even the corrupt ones
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:10, archived)

What would you suggest the alternative is?

(s0WmVHAwZgpG, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:12, archived)

I dunno, err maybe letting a mineral rich continent pay its debt back
Without taking the imperialist attitude that they can only be helped by us and not themselves
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:16, archived)

re-colinisation

( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:17, archived)

I'm sorry if I'm being stupid here,
but is there any reason why we can't only give money to countries with stable democratic governments?
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:12, archived)

None
Thats not what im saying
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:13, archived)

no
There would be a systematic plan of structured debt relief requiring the meeting of strict conditions.
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:13, archived)

If you believe that then thats blind ignorance
Tell me now, which particular bit of aid ever given to Africa went in its entirety where it was supposed to and not to line the pockets of officials?
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:15, archived)

I know two people
in Nigeria. They both have digital satellite and a 1mb web connection.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:15, archived)

So because
the two people in Africa that you know are wealthy, there is no poverty and no need for aid or any kind of western intervention?
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:17, archived)

The way
you lefties bang on about it, you'd swear they were still living in tribes.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:24, archived)

This.
'Africa' isn't just one solid blotch that can be cured by the west's magic wand.
Rich countries should try to help poorer countries as much as possible, but each African nation's fate ultimately lies in its individual hands.
( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:03, archived)

They haven't got much hope without a little
help/interference from the rest of the world, though.
(s0WmVHAwZgpG, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:04, archived)

hehe.
When did the board get filled with bearded leties?
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:45, archived)

So they deserve to die in a fiery ball of exploding flame?

( Comma, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:42, archived)

Oh fuck off
When you've grown up a bit and have all the facts, by all means offer an opinion, 'til then shut the fuck up
( Hankster, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:43, archived)

Oh come on!
You're too young to remember the MASSIVE public support the Jubilee 2000 Drop the debt campaign had.

And it's not the borrowing and repaying that's the problem, it's the interest that's being charged.
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:43, archived)

...
I'm 15, that was only 5 years ago.
( sprinkles ITS AN ISLAND, morron, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:19, archived)

Exactly.
it was 1/3 of you're life ago, you were 10, and so you still thought girls had germs.
( icklepeach *relurks*, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 11:25, archived)

Now he's older, he knows they do.
(Naughty Tortoise, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 12:07, archived)