On the other hand JC's most zealot fans
Don't realise that their heartland deserted them for the EU referendum.

They can bang on Facebook and Twitter trying to slap down any dissenters calling them Blairites, but you try that shit on the doorstop they'll get a face full of fuck you.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:50, archived)

The news largely ignored the fact he was out on foot in northern shitholes telling people to vote remain.
Also last time Labour sided with the Tories in a referendum they lost all their Scottish seats.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:52, archived)

Yes, it is all the medias fault
Or maybe that JC's press team are just frankly shite at delivering whatever the fucking message is they are promoting?

Or am I supposed to learn everything the wise man is promoting from Facebook zealot posts?
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

The media were focused on the tories tearing themselves apart.
I doubt Corbyn would've got a look in if he stripped naked and did the willycopter with remain daubed on his chest.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:57, archived)

He has released a Brexit manifesto.
However, true to form, the media hasn't reported on it.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

And if the only people you can resonate with in the media is The Canary
You are fucked.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

When the "free" press only presents one viewpoint
then we're all fucked.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

It's quite depressing watching the BBC meekly report pro-tory stuff as the charter is up for renewal and their existence depends on it.
Funny that the Tories looked into privatising Ch4 when it reported stuff it didn't like isn't it?
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:04, archived)

One thing's for sure, that's going to get *tons* better under Supreme Leader May.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:10, archived)

indeed.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:12, archived)

When your press team are fighting more fires because the head of the party can't unify his MP's
The the message is muddied. Multiple spurts of news. No concise message. No reconciliation story.

What do you expect? Every strand to be reported? Give the fuck over.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:10, archived)

I expect a neutral press.
But it's been so long since we've had one, if we ever did, that people have forgotten what it is supposed to look like.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:21, archived)

I might just start reading the Morning Star.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:22, archived)

This has got even worse in the age of social media
Each person is in their own echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear. The news bias now works in two direction, first from the sources to consume, and now from what we decide to filter out or promote ourselves.

Everyone thinks everything is biased and will throw that term out for even a small whiff of something that doesn't align to 80% of their views. And what cuts through all this? Clear concise messages. Sadly there is only 1 party that can do that currently.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:33, archived)

One of the things I dislike about the internet
is its ability to give voice to those people whose opinions have no business being aired publicly.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:36, archived)

So you avoid it
Avoid, avoid, avoid. Then that opinion rears its head in polite public, we all wring our hands saying "What should we do" and then it goes away. Repeat ad nauseam. It never goes away, people just ignore it. Echo chambers.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:42, archived)

I don't necessarily think you're wrong.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:46, archived)

I've only read this thread because it restates my feelings on the attempted Labour coup, and the media bias on display during the Brexit campaign.

( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:42, archived)

to be fair
people who like butterscotch angel delight really are paedophiles
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:43, archived)

My nan used to use that to make 'lurking pud'.
Which involved some fruit 'lurking' under the topping.

It was invariably kiwi.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:47, archived)

dude
your nan was fucked UP
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:01, archived)

No, I'm talking about the ones that include wild accusations without any basis in reality.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:47, archived)

60 odd percent of registered Labour voters voted to Remain, as a matter of fact.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:55, archived)

Yeah I saw some analysis suggest that it was mostly middle-class Tories that are responsible for this mess.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:56, archived)

40% didn't give a fuck
Possibly as they don't know what Labour is anymore. Bet the Lib Dem and Greens rallied their votes accordingly.
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 12:58, archived)

I would imagine those were the people trapped in places like Blaenau Gwent
who were looking for something or someone to blame.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:00, archived)

Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of solid reasons for a leftie to vote leave.
Just the whole thing got completely co-opted by the right.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Most of the leftie arguments I heard relied on blind faith on a very improbably sequence of events.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:02, archived)

The EU really isn't terribly democratic.
But everybody ignored a real debate in favour of cheap immigration shots, letting it get hijacked. The whole thing was a stupid stunt by Cameron to try and shut up the righter wingers in his own party. The referendum was a farce.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:05, archived)

The thing about representitive democracy is that it requires you to elect people to represent you.
That seems to be one of the big problems with Britain's relationship with the EU. Most of the time it gets ignored completely apart from the times it is seen as being a meddling foreign entity.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:08, archived)

My problem with it comes more from the relentless drive to federate.
I'm all for free movement of people, free trade etc but I don't believe a monolithic superstate is in our best interests. We're a minority viewpoint in Europe meaning that any wish of ours for reform will be, and has been, slapped down.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

The problem is a lot of the bits people are critical of the EU for our own government are massively for anyway.
Take TTIP for example - France are standing up to it, whereas Cameron was blindly pushing for it because 'this is the deal that we want'.

Ironically, because of various states refusing to entertain it in it's current form, the EU might reject it and we end up getting the same deal with Europe tippexed out.

Given FPTP and 5 year terms it keeps some things on track - like environmental stuff which our own governments would ignore as they ram through changes they hope the opposition wouldn't appeal. I think we should have a better system that promotes coalitions, with more frequent elections so you can kick out people easier.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:18, archived)

Which I would support.
Unfortunately only the UK, and maybe the Dutch, seem to dislike the current situation.

Sorry, I misread your last paragraph. I thought you were talking about a new system in Europe.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:22, archived)

It's great that they're now begging for someone to make-up the EU funding. Stupid cunts.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:01, archived)

Who researches what the EU does AFTER a referendum?
Unbelievable.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

To be fair. Boris came down to Cornwall and promised we would get the same funding
Cornwall voted leave and said afterwards "Well Boris, you are going to do as you promised right?" and he said "ummmmm, well, what we actually meant was ummmmm"
( Peej, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 14:17, archived)

But if only they read posts from Another Angry Voice
They would have changed their minds.... right?
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:03, archived)

I refuse to read a single word of his until he sorts out his appalling design issues

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:06, archived)

Thought it was a sane voice
Then it has gone all "everyone against JC is THE WORST"
( keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:12, archived)

Dunno, no idea what that is.

( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:07, archived)

you'd hate him

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:13, archived)

Not a huge logical leap.
I hate everyone.
( Kroney, Mon 11 Jul 2016, 13:15, archived)