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'All the evidence to the contrary'?

What evidence is that? The evidence that not a single positive mutation that adds information to an organism has ever been discovered in nature or proved in a laboratory? Creationism is 100% science-based! There are over 10,000 practising scientists in the USA alone that believe in creation.

To find out why, check out www.answersingenesis.org (visit the 'answers' section) or visit the Creation Museum... even secular scientists have said that there's absolutely nothing to disagree with, as it is infact run by scientists.

Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact :)

From the Creationism challenge. See all 279 entries (closed)

(Strangemiester, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:46, archived)

and the day was going so well....

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:46, archived)

So come on

Who blabbed?

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

eh?

no-one.
i went on a girls name website for naming kids and trawlled through until
i found one that goes well with lucy.

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

:-)

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

;)

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

get a room you two

speaking of which, who said you could come out of your room?

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

He's still in there

He's winking through the sound-proofed glass

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:04, archived)

...

Lucy?

(Strangemiester, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

Do you honestly think I'm going to click that?

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:06, archived)

*sings*

I love Jesus,
Best of all the apostles
I love Jesus
He's my friend!

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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

F U C K O F F

www.talkorigins.org
www.pandasthumb.org

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custard, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

pandasthumb?

www.horsesarse.org
www.badgersfanny.org
www.wormsclunge.org

*wanders off*

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

*registers 'wormsclunge.org'*

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

some fucker will now produce a version of wormfingers to go with it.

(coobeastie Used to Be in Evil Gazebo, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:18, archived)

"Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved?"

"I believe God created me in 7 days"
"Yeh, looks like he rushed it"
/late great Bill Hicks

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:18, archived)

Yep

it's a shame isn't it

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Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

suicide pact?

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

*stabs*

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Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

*drowns kris in my blood*

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

erm... yeah - alright

just sign over stuff to me in your will... for a joke!

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:53, archived)

stuuf?

a sword, a load of books and a sweet wrapper!

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

Oh, I forgot

Have this
*returns empty wallet*

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

hooray!!

...
..
.
ah keep it.
i've nothing to put in it anyway

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

yup

soon the blade of damoclese will be mine and the profecy will be complete

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:58, archived)

Will you take my first born?

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Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:58, archived)

erm...

sure

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:02, archived)

does it need feeding or anything

... does it like tequilla?

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

I mostly only have tequila in my house

and Doritos... I just loved americanised faux mexian products

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

nice image!

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

Doesnt HAVE to be an image on main does it?

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Cae1, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:48, archived)

when it's entered as part of something entitled 'image challenege' I'd hazard a guess that it was a pre-requisite

although that could be down to interpretation.

You are right in general terms, it doesn't 'have' to be an image, but it seems a little foolhardy to enter an image challenge compo without an image

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:48, archived)

'Interpretation'?

No, we demand hard scientific evidence...

to back up what we believe to be true...

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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

For the image compo, yes

Otherwise it would just be called a compo

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:48, archived)

if you're starting a new thread, yes.

it's in the FAQ.

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:49, archived)

*reads FAQ*

LIES!

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:51, archived)

made you look!

hahaha!

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

bah!

*goes to ilovehorses site as punishment*

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:53, archived)

mawahaha!!

thats right best of all the animals

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

*sobs*

they're... my ... friends...

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:59, archived)

Can't be bothered checking...

...but I think this is not true. IT SHOULD be true. But I don't think it is.

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collapsibletank procreates, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:53, archived)

meh.

i was just trying to be a nazi.....
=)

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

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fuckyouTtssattsr you cunt, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

I suspected this would happen

Oh well

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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

well, you aren't allowed to question the word of god because it's the word of god and it's the word of god because the bible says so

and if the bible says so it's the word of god because the bible is the word of god because the bible says it's the word of god so it's the word of god

the short form of the above is "just because a whole bunch of people believe this nonsense, doesn't make it true"

the shorter form of the above is "meh"

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

hahah

^this thricely

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:08, archived)

you must be familiar with this scientifically valid™ argument

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

I enjoyed reading this comment

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:08, archived)

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

I like this

*clicks*

edit: oh wait no i don't

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

Pffft

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:01, archived)

haha

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Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:40, archived)

yeah

but that doesn't mean god made it ;)

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Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Funniest one yet.

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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

Just because a thread is here

doesn't make it good.

3rd law of thermodynamics. (is it the third law?) - constantly bastardised by the creationists to suit their own ends by removing the most important part of it.

Thank you, Dave Gorman.

Oh and by the way, I'm a Christian before you start.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:47, archived)

Yeah but you're a Chistian of the boozy shaggy shaggy persuasion:P

'ningles matey.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:49, archived)

I had a house mate who said

You can only call yourself Christian if you follow all the rules. If you don't you just believe in God you're not a christian.

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

I'll let God judge me, thanks.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

^This

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

^ so much this

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

That's what i used to say.

I kept saying that when i comes to it i think me and Jesus would get on quite well.

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

What do you say now?

What you've been told to say, or what you truly believe? Did you change your beliefs after you 'used' to say that, or did you not truly believe it in the first place?

Honestly not getting tetchy, I'm just curious as to what changed.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

Well i don't live with her anymore so that's why i used to say it.

Myself i'm agnostic. I can't see how one religion can be right and all the others are wrong. I think there may be a God or a higher being. I'm just happy living my life and doing what i think is right and if it means theres a chance i'll go to hell for it. I'm happy with that.

I fully respect people who have faith and often talk about religion with them. So I don't think you're being tetchy.

p.s. can i be in your crew?

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:01, archived)

That's fair enough

I can see both sides of the coin as it were- I wasn't born Christian so coming to terms with my faith took a long while and a LOT of thinking!

It's nice to have a grown up conversation about it, I must say.

You can, if you can think of a good title for yourself.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

Spiritual Advisor?

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

Ohh now that's a good one.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

something involving Pianos and Smuggling goes down well, usually

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

I am surrounded by frigging pianos.

And they make horrible noises when they crash against the sides of the ship.

NO MORE. Smuggle me some DVDs or something.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

Can I change to

Mad-eyed storyteller? There's always one who lurks in the shadows to spin tales of Salty Jack, the man eating catfish

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

definitely, I like that.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:27, archived)

So can i be this please

'The ships Ghost (The Ghost of ex Admiral with a massive moustache)'

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:28, archived)

Oy, I've just added you as a spiritual advisor and professional sceptic.

Can't I just add (deceased) to it?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

could you also add

aka 'The ships Ghost (The Ghost of ex Admiral with a massive moustache)'

:)

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

Goodness sake!

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:43, archived)

Hahaha I love the bracket text

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:30, archived)

Yeah

I have lots of questions about christianity but to be honest usually i never get answers in reply it's always another question.

Errm i'll go away and think of a job.

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

Christianity Questioner General

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Nice

But i was thinking more 'The ships Ghost (The Ghost of ex Admiral with a massive moustache)'

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

good call

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

Thanks

I may even do a picture of myself.

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:21, archived)

^I pretty much agree with this

I'm a vague Christian, I am also a scientist. I'm perfectly happy to argue with morons on either side of the argument.

Personally, I think that the people who are violently anti-religion are probably scared that God does exist and the people who are violently anti- any sort of discussion about science explaining how God's Universe works are probably scared that He doesn't exist.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

I think that makes a lot of sense

and seems as we're having this discussion, for my two bits I struggle to see or feel a divine presence in anything... and I also think religion gets used (by certain people) to stop people asking questions about things, which I don't think is a good thing.

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:17, archived)

True

I'm not a fan of big organised religions. People are unfoortunately subject to human nature so anything that can influence people will be used by the unscrupulous to advance themselves. Religion is just one of these things, as are money, land, food etc.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:22, archived)

^--This

FTW

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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

my dad was an agnostic and my mother was an atheist

... they couldn't decide which religion not to bring me up in

/wood allen blog

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:08, archived)

haha

what a quote

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Well I'm sure he'd give you a 6.9!

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

I definitely want world peace

and a nice BLT baguette.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:02, archived)

YOU WANT TOO MUCH!

there is no baguette!

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:04, archived)

that with fucking 50 ft tall throbbing neon signs

if the initator of this thread is not god, then he can fuck off, as he don't know shit

:D

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:02, archived)

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

As far as I'm concerned most of the bible was written by men, and men are subject or bias etc. I go with what feels right, and try to live my life in as altruistic a way as I can. That's what I consider important in being of this faith- treating everyone with love and respect.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:06, archived)

that's the point innt

exactly the point

people that presume to speak gods will unto those who must be educated/saved etc

wonder what the odds are of space in hell for such hubris

and I'm sure that jesus would metaphorically kick these people's arses

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:08, archived)

Couldn't agree more

Just reading through Leviticus, it's obviously written by some mad, bitter old priest with a chip on his shoulder about owls (amongst other things)

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fuscous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

You'll let gOD judge you?

Wait, you're going to let that useless narcissistic twat who likes to torture people in hell for all eternity just cause they farted in a lift one too many times determine the eternity of your afterlife?

Great, you spend the whole of your life abiding by dumb and pointless commandments about pigs and stuff while he constantly zaps shit with lightning and buries people in earthquakes, just to get to heaven where you have to spend the rest of eternity with Jerry Falwell and a load of cross-eyed homophobics.

I choose hell.

(MeteoriK, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 13:29, archived)

Bollocks

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

Hmm

Out of interest, why would you trust Jesus to be your saviour if you can't trust him as your creator? Why would you believe him when he tells you of eternal life when you believe he's lying to you about our origins? (read John 3:12)

(Strangemiester, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

You ARE Dot Cotton

AICMFP

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

haha

"Ohh my Nick was a good lad really."

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

I confess to having such a crush on Nick Cotton when I was younger.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

haha

"You Slaaaaag!"

/eastendersblog

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Because I have a right to my own opinion- Jesus had that too.

And no matter what happens, I will love God in my own way, without dogmatism or prejudice.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

I think I love you

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

Well I'm a very loveable person

It's understandable.

Heheh *big hugs* that's a lovely thing to say.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:58, archived)

Well you just expressed my feelings perfectly

I shall steal that phrase and use it everywhere

(Mrs Trellis GIN, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:04, archived)

:D T SHIRT!

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

Jesus's opinion was God's opinion

Being the same person and all! So you are saying that your opinion is more important than that of a perfect God - are you elevating yourself to a higher status of understanding than God himself? How could you love a God when you look down on him like that? I am glad that you love God, but I don't understand why you would. If his perfect Word is so pick-and-mix, why would you be inclined to believe any of it in the first place? I wouldn't like to love your mistake-making, deceiving god at all :(

(Strangemiester, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:45, archived)

How odd

the God I read about gave us free will.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:54, archived)

You actually haven't read anything I've said.

So to stop you twisting my words (a disgusting habit you should look into) I'm not giong to give you any more.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:10, archived)

i don't trust jesus

i trust the scientific process.

on which creationisims fantastical view on the world doesn't quite fit.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:17, archived)

Hang on - where does it say Jesus created us?

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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:39, archived)

....

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collapsibletank procreates, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:48, archived)

this!

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:11, archived)

haha

good job!

(creem all over your face, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

Pfft!

Idiot

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Geoff the Clownfish You know Myra, some people might think you're cute, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:48, archived)

AAARRRGG - words!

I'm sorry I don't speak gibberish

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:49, archived)

re: your post

Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact :)

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:49, archived)

\o/

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

Yeah,

and Darwin believed in God also.

Still, there's not a single shred of evidence to prove God either. Seeing as evolution is based upon a sounder theory, then I think evolution is the preferred solution.

Scientists are people too, and are quite capable of (and welcome to) bizarre beliefs. Sometimes you need to believe in bizarre things to progress scientific knowledge. Quantum physics indeed.

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wheelybird mreee!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:49, archived)

Scientists are people too!

Damn right!

*makes sign*

*waves sign*

*profits*

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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:53, archived)

Neither one is the sounder theory as both are

lacking in any real evidence or observational proof.

US right-wing happyclappy literally in 7 days dinosaurs put there to test our faith creationism on the other hand, totally stupid.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

evidence and observational proof

evidence: er, fossils
observational proof: white eyed fruit flies anyone? (look it up, and NO, not in the bible)

(MeteoriK, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 13:35, archived)

Do Scientologists believe in creationism?

I expect so, but would like to stir up this argument a bit more

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

They don't believe in God as such,

merely super beings what are all super-scienced and benign.
What they really believe in is getting deluded people to part with their cash.

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wheelybird mreee!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

I guess it really

is a religion then...

*ducks for cover in the embassy*

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Damocles wants no part of your debauchery, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

*expels engrams*

I feel so much... the same...

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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:55, archived)

The Lord Xenu comes!

neutralise your body thetans!!

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:02, archived)

*concentrates hard*

*spluffs*

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

The Lord Xenu comes!

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

that sort of thing is taken out of context so much

which is why the Scentologist struggle to be taken seriously as a real religion... which is what they are... really really real and well established and everything.

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:06, archived)

Yep. Really real and well established

Like McDonalds and Nike and Starbucks.

*chuckles to self*

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SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

macdonalds and starbucks don't kill people tho

well, not as quickly

^_^

allegedly

because I fear the scientology hit squads

which may or may not be a work of fiction

much like the religion

which is fiction

*grabs bigger shovel*

"yeah!!!"

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:12, archived)

Be strong man

they can't break your will of iron

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SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:16, archived)

sometimes see the scientologists out in a nearby town

one asked me "What do you think of contemporary poetry?"

after a moment of wtf?

I replied "Mostly, I find it derivative"

he nodded and I got on with my life

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:25, archived)

Hello you.

Where have you been hiding? A post code will suffice.

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wheelybird mreee!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

listen - okay

my religion has an annual turn over of fuffy bufty million squillion dollars and we have Tom Cruise on our side... what's so great about your relision eh?

Also - we're projecting major growth in Asia in the next 15 years, our head of Marketing for teh Asia/Pacific region is projecting numbers that will make it one of our most lucrative regions in almost 12 years!

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

And not at all a tax dodge dreamed up by a Sci-Fi writer...

No-siree...

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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:12, archived)

a sci fi writer

who brough out a book on how to make money before he started his religion, which basically concluded that if want to make real money, start a cult

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:21, archived)

In Germany Scientology is considered to be a business

in Australia it is a fully blown officially recognised religion with all the legal rights that go with that...

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

From profile:

We have this Autistic guy in our class - he's nice, but totally lost the plot. Back in year 11 he spent the whole year constucting the most detailed drawing I'd ever seen, of his 'mother ship', yes, thats MOTHER SHIP, which stretched over 13 A3 sheets of paper, all taped together. He'd drawn all the ships hulls, storage rooms, in a cross section, with it all labled and measurements put in. He said it was comming to take him home...still hasn't come yet.

He would also claim popular people hated him because they were from his rival planet, and knew he was soon to return to his. Apart from that, he was an ok guy!

What's YOUR excuse?

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collapsibletank procreates, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

haha

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cooler_king That's no moon!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:51, archived)

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SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

wow that's cool

I bet he makes nuclear bombs in his garden shed

:D

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:06, archived)

Was his name Noah?

(bobming, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

Here we go.......

So Blackburn Rovers for the first game of the season then..

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ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

Bolton away

Bit of a coincidence methinks for Sam's first game in charge!

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Dabooka_ has changed his name on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

and chelsea for our last home game.... ..i really didnt see that one coming

i wasnt sure about renewing my season ticket but i looked at the fixtures and saw S*nderland then remembered how great it was to be at a proper derby.

(just_steve, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:31, archived)

Haahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh dear.

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SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

I have a theory that your picture is shit

I believe this to be popular opinion

I also believe it to be fact

so put that in your pipe and smoke it, oddball

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:50, archived)

hahaha

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Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:51, archived)

Fuck off

god boy

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Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:51, archived)

Hahahaha

You loon.

Creationism is most definitely not 100% science based. But neither is evolution, Darwinian or otherwise.

there is no proof and only very slight circumstantial evidence either way. Believing in God or believing in evolution are both statements of faith as there isn't a single repeatable experiment to show either one of them.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:51, archived)

Yes

Yes I was referring to historical science rather than operation science - and you're absolutely right, there's not a single repeatable experiment. They both require faith and would be defined as 'religions'. I'm saying is that historical science supports creation just as well, so why have a topic on something about 'overwhelming evidence' on once side of the argument? It's all to do with starting assumptions ^_^

(Strangemiester, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:59, archived)

'historical science'

What on Earth are you banging on about? there is no real support in science, the fossil record, observational experience etc. for either of them.

So basically you're just ranting because the compo was stated in a slightly flippant way?

And don't pretend you agree with me, you said that creationism was 100% science based. there may well be 10,000 scientists in the US alone who believe in creationism. But you have to remember that they are American.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:02, archived)

our survey said "X"

evolution doesn't require faith, it has a ginormous amount of scientific evidence to support the theory.
due to the giant timescales involved it hasn't been possible to conclusivley prove it in the past 2000 years

wheras your invisible sky guy cult has exactly how much scientific evidence? where are you theses and peer reviewed publications? actual facts other than "the bible says so"?

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VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

Bollocks.

Evolution has hardly any scientific evidence to support it. that's partly why Darwinian evlution is on its way out. The fossil record is very sketchy indeed.

I reckon that it is at best a reasonable rule of thumb to describe what happens, in the same way that the early atomic theories were sort of correct in a staggeringly simplistic and not actually very correct way.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

on it's way out?

what's replacing it?

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

the theory of badgers

how we evolved from them etc.

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:11, archived)

those rcrazy badgers!

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

I'm not totally up to date

but I think there are a variety of molecular/biological theories clumped together as non-darwinian evolution. I don't think Darwinian evolution has been completely discredited, just that scientists are coming to the realisation that it is either far too simplistic or cannot possibly account for the diversity of life, even given the massive timescales, that perhaps Darwinian evolution is just a small part of what can happen.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:20, archived)

it's a 19th century theory <-(important bit) based upon observation and deduction

and for some reason people equate evolution with making a better/more complicated/clever species

which isn't what it's about

but "I don't know" does not mean "god did it", if we knew everything we'd be gods ourselves, and we aren't :)

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:33, archived)

I think...

I think you're confusing the work of actual scientists with supporters of intelligent design here, personally.

(nullmouse, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:16, archived)

You sir...

... are talking out your arse I'm afraid. With the advent of genetics and particularly molecular genetics the theories expoused by Darwin have becaome more refined and extended, but there are certainly no movemements in the scientific community to reject them, not in the slightest. Indeed the influence of our understanding of evolution on the progress of modern molecular biology is something which is often understated.

For example, scientists regularly use our understanding of evolution in an attempt to identify elements of importance within the genetic code. By realising that selection will restrict changes on regions of function you may look to identify possible areas with functional significance. This works. But perhaps more importantly in areas where you may predict rapid evolution, such as in the immune system, these results are actualy born out in the DNA sequence.

Thats not to mention the fact that evolution can be a bit of a bastard in the day to day life of a scientist. I've got mutant yeast which die at high temperatures, this is a good thing. The only problem is that the bastards keep gaining mutations, mainly as these tend to co-incide with stronger growth phenotypes at normal temperatures. As a result I end up wasting ages because I have to go back to the original stocks to recover the temperature sensitive phenotype.

And what about anti-biotic resistance, heavy metal tolerance appearing in plants, and speciation events obserbved in human lifespans (in plants.)

(JamesG, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 22:31, archived)

I <3 this

Thankyou!

(nullmouse, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 9:20, archived)

I think you could

easily argue for evolution using the ol' "Common Sense" argument. It just makes a heapload more sense than creationism.

I do find it extremely unlikely that we'll ever know about all of the whole nuts-and-bolts of 4 billion years worth of development here on earth.
But it is extremely likely that it wasn't due to some omniscient chap one day going "BANG! And the people have arrived!" and everthing appearing all
of a sudden, like. That's just a bit silly. Unless he was David Copperfield.

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The Neville What what what, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:25, archived)

Personally

I tend towards believing that the Universe is so complex and unlikely that a creator is the most likely Occam's Razor option.

I also happen to think that something along the lines of evolution (I don't think we are anywhere near understanding it properly yet) was the mechanism used to get to where we are now, life-wise.

The 7 days thing is clearly parable. for 7 stages or whatever I guess.

Science already agrees with that account in Genesis. The order things happened in, anyway.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:31, archived)

True.

It's 'Revelations' though that this crowd take for their evidence, which was written by John whilst trapped on an island and quite clearly smacked off his tits for the whole time.

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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:41, archived)

Indeedy!

I believe there's some sense in some words in the Bible, if, and only if you don't take them literally.

My opinion on am "Almighty Creator" is that there may well be one. Who am I to say otherwise? But I really don't believe he would take the form that
so many devout Christian types believe he would. I reckon a creator could even be something as removed from our tiny little planet
as a scientist in a laboratory creating a new Universe (or billions and billions of 'em) when he flicks a switch on a particle accelerator,
inadvertantly becoming "God" to countless trillions of civilsations.

Imagine the responsiblity!

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The Neville What what what, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)

or perhaps an existing universe

spurted this one into existence

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

pffft

you said *spurt*!

/brings the whole conversation down a few notches blog

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The Neville What what what, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)

I didn't even know it could get any lower

what with being all about complete nonsense and all

:D

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:03, archived)

People who say "there's hardly any evidence"..

..haven't tried looking for it. It's fucking everywhere.

(MeteoriK, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:31, archived)

Point to some then.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:56, archived)

Happy reading!

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

(nullmouse, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:09, archived)

Remember when you last had a bad back? That's because you're supposed to walk around on all fours, and your pelvis is attached at the wrong angle. Appendix? What's that for? Well, your ancestors needed it to create bile to help digest all the fruit you used to eat when you were a monkey. Caught a virus recently? That's because an existing virus mutated in such a way that it became able to exist in your body, and thus become successful. Ginger hair? Well, that's because your ancestors couldn't get enough vitamin D in the north of Europe. Ever seen a bulldog? It was born by caesarian section, because this man-made (or "artificially evolved") creature has a head so big it won't actually fit out of its mother's womb. Without us, it's fucked. In fact, point to any living thing, and you can find a whole history going right back to its genus. Plaice is a delicious flat fish, but ever wondered why it has both eyes on the same side of its head? Well, millions of years of swimming horizontally along the bottom of the ocean with one eye on the floor had a part to play in that.

(MeteoriK, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 13:05, archived)

Crikey

So all compos should be subject to the same anal critique?

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

only when someone's myopic worldview based upon a doctrinal programming

designed to employ a power relationship is questioned

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:19, archived)

um...

you do realise you're on b3ta.com where taking the piss is mandatory?

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Total codswallop

You're making unsupported, sweeping observations and claiming your opinion to be fact. Bollocks is there no proof to support evolution, go read up and educate yourself: www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

(nullmouse, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 12:33, archived)

...

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Monty Propps, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

Excuse my ignorance but...

Are black people the result of a curse on Ham?

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Nutmeg Harpoon dry humped your sister on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:52, archived)

Not sure

but i think mustard is a curse on ham sandwiches.
*hates bloody mustard*

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n8ive Zip it, Shrimpy...you cunt!, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

What about horseradish?

Horseradish sauce is conclusive proof that something something something.

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roystead, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:36, archived)

front page this now!

conversely, make it win the competition

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new_matt, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:54, archived)

Nah

needs to be 280 pixels wide.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

give this man a round of applause, mong style!

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

*applauds*

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:28, archived)

I believe in Genesis

"In the air" is a really good song.

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

Land of Confusion ftw!

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

Yes, also good.

Never heard any of the Peter Gabriel prog-rock stuff.

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:06, archived)

The Knife

and Supper's Ready are ace songs of that era

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:34, archived)

I shall google and educate myself

beats doing work

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:40, archived)

That was Phil Collins

Splitter!

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:59, archived)

I generally lump collins & Genesis together in my brain

it leaves more room for vice city and "Aliens" quotes.

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:08, archived)

I am having trouble

consolidating a sentence which contains the words 'Collins', 'Genesis' and 'lump', without 'lump' being suffixed by the word 'hammer'

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:12, archived)

An intriguing problem

A riddle wrapped in an enigma served on a brioche of mystery

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

tonight?

(tonight, tonight)

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

Nah, thats "Smashing Pumpkins"

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Ah you poor brainwashed mimsi dribble

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:56, archived)

this isn't the place for your ranting

"Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact" Are you refering to creationist theory or evolution here?

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HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:57, archived)

Ah but

Let he without sin cast the first fossil!

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:58, archived)

Exactly

it applies to both

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

lol

irony

heard of it motherfucker?

:D

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:58, archived)

isn't that what you do to laundry?

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Haku Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Three Orange Whips., Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:01, archived)

this is ace.

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

Book him Dano

Dah dah dah dah dah daaaaahhhh

Da da da da dahhhh

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

A theory isn't a "popular opinion"

It's a falsifiable system of interactions which has yet to be disproved. If a bonobo fossil turned up in the wrong strata, a lot of evolutionary biologists would look very sheepish(not because they evolved from them though), but it hasn't happened yet. Don't forget as well, that most beneficial mutations in a single generational leap are very very subtle. All the one's we've actually noticed in fruit flies are huge entirely unbeneficial mutations such as antennapaedia. Any beneficial mutations going on in the wild are going simply to slowly to be measured by scientists.

It's far better than believing everything that suits you out of some weird conglomeration of myths,
contradictory ethics and the plain bizarre. And if you believe that you got this answer straight from God, then I'm afraid to say you are delusional.

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PopePollo defloculating the soup of the surreal, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:59, archived)

Just to say...

I like this riposte the best. Nice and concise, and informative too. Thanks!

(h0ly_j0e needs to unfuck himself, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:21, archived)

Thanks

I highly recommend "The Blind Watchmaker". Dawkins' is pretty crap at philosophy, but he is excellent at describing the evolutionary process.

Pfft sound of one hand fwapping.

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PopePollo defloculating the soup of the surreal, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:41, archived)

well

said

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rogan, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:34, archived)

WINNAR!

(Adrian Monk, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 10:59, archived)

Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact :)

the only people claiming evolution as fact are the creationists who are trying to disprove it

creationism is based on the denial of science

now fuck off and read some proper science before you really start to annoy me

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VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

(Mr MacTarpaulin-Smythe, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:00, archived)

LOL FP THIS NOW!

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

you are FAIL

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:03, archived)

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Doctor When May your wife shat and chipper, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:04, archived)

Get a brain, Morans!

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

T W A T

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custard, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:05, archived)

What's the point in even arguing...

can't we all just believe what we want and respect others for their beliefs. I know that sounds too easy but sometimes the best solutions are easy.

Who really knows how we got here; the fact that we ask these questions says alot more about us than the answers to the questions themselves. I think.

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darth munki is flipping livid, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:07, archived)

This is a scientific argument. There IS a right answer and it's worth knowing.

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Newington, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:12, archived)

I Like This

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

I respect other people to believe what they want

This is not the same as believing that all beliefs are equally valid. They aren't. And I get rather peeved when people try to attack other peoples systems of belief with inferior arguments.

I respect peoples right to belief what they want. That does not mean I have to hold their belief system as being equally valid to my own.

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PopePollo defloculating the soup of the surreal, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:19, archived)

I don't believe that all arguements are valid

but if someone's happy beliving something then let them get on with it. If you're so secure in your beliefs then why waste your time trying to destroy other people's belief systems.

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darth munki is flipping livid, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:31, archived)

You are a FUTURE WINNER.

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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:09, archived)

Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact :)

just like creationism then.

do not click on this link, i'm just testing something - you will be horsed
www.coobeastie.co.uk/salmahayekintheshower.gif

(coobeastie Used to Be in Evil Gazebo, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:10, archived)

Yay!

Religious spam!

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Christian Bale of Hay in a field, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:11, archived)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_duplication

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Newington, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:11, archived)

this is much more entertaining

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneforge

kept me from doing any real work for months.

(coobeastie Used to Be in Evil Gazebo, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:24, archived)

Hahaha, you make me laff :)

please tell me you are taking the piss... please

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chunderbunny lacking humus since, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

please show, with your working out, how creationisim is 100% fact based?

extra marks gained for style and poise on entry.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:13, archived)

Just because a theory is popular opinion, it doesn't make it a fact :)

Ah but you being a cunt is both popular opinion AND a fact! :)

(eno, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:14, archived)

to be fair, he's started a good old debate.

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- D - SharkTrousers, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:26, archived)

This is very true

And I was a little harsh there.

'twas a good read :)

(eno, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:50, archived)

Creationism is based on the science of bad scientists...

Who lecture to uneducated masses because they daren't peddle their crackpot theories to someone who is intelligent enough to actually understand and debate them.

Who get shot down at every one of their presentations where actual scientists attend, then even when they admit they may be wrong go on to repeat the same discredited tosh at their next stop on the lecture circuit.

Who are still trying to take cheap shots at Darwin's theories from a century ago, using age-old hoaxes as 'Piltdown Man' as 'evidence' and completely failing to grasp that evolutionary theory has actually vastly improved its case over the last 100 years.

Who are blindly ignorant to the fact that although evidence for evolution is not overwhelming nor 100% proof, it does completely overwhelm the misrepresentations required to point to creationism, just as the number of people who call themselves 'scientists' and believe in creationism are vastly overwhelmed by people with recognised scientific credentials who don't.

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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:28, archived)

Only a theory..

Gravity is only a theory, but one that is accepted by all educated people.

Also 10,000 scientists who believe in creationism is not really a significant number at all.

(Calfderno, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

Hahahaha

You're really not very good at science, are you?

Of course, you're right really. I created the world earlier this morning. Everything, including dinosaurs and your memories of things before 7am this morning, was created by me.

I'm beginning to think it was a bad move.

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foop, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:39, archived)

You

are a complete, and total, and indeed utter, idiot. THE BIBLE IS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY, WORK IT OUT.

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Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 14 Jun 2007, 11:51, archived)

It's no wonder these 10,000 scientists are 'practising', is it.

They're still not very good at it.

You're being very selective with your terminology too; a mutation by its very definition wouldn't add anything, it changes something that's already there. Natural selection, on the other hand...

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S tr app y, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 0:55, archived)

*sigh*

Get yourself an education, then read Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion"

OR

Stop trolling!

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drunkenoaf, Fri 15 Jun 2007, 7:48, archived)