Following on from earlier comments,
do you class dependency as an illness, or your own bloody fault?If you have a heart attack because you like cakes, own fault or serious med? Where is the dividing line between waste of space, ans someone with issues, that can be treated?
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:13, 158 replies, latest was 10 years ago)

I wouldn't treat Stunned
He deserves all he gets
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:16, Reply)

It 'depends'.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:17, Reply)

Controversial, yet helpful.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:17, Reply)

It all depends on the reasoning for the problems, some people have terrible things happen which lead them to making poor decisions, other people simply have no self restraint.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:23, Reply)

5.9.83.79/questions/offtopic/post2250918
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:25, Reply)

eggsaktly

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:25, Reply)

If you are anything less than the physical ideal, then it's your own fault.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:19, Reply)

Bang on.

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:19, Reply)

There is no ideal though, and dependency is unfortunately very common, of all types of things.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:20, Reply)

Fuck off with your knowledge and studies and PhD,
I have a fundamental right to discrimination against people that make me uncomfortable.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:26, Reply)

Of course you do.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:29, Reply)

In all seriousness though,
Frog is right, sometimes it's a person fault, sometimes it's not. Case by case is the only way really.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:36, Reply)

Where do you draw the line though?
Is a lack of self-restraint your own fault?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:37, Reply)

i'd throw the number of lapses into the pot as well
if you've had problems because of a bad patch, that's different to someone who just can't face up to life.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

Fault is not a term I'd use.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

"Fault" is a term applicable when a consequence of your own actions occurs.
I can see why you don't think it applies*


*I really can't.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:40, Reply)

Like I said, case by case.
Some people are products of their environment and need proper help, some people have brought it upon themselves. The line is not static.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:08, Reply)

Well yes, but I tend to err on the side of offering all the help I can.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

As long as that help involves a finger up the bum

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

Of course.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

Yes, I usually am.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

so what's the physical ideal?
'cos if it's long ginger hair, that puts you and me ahead of this shower of cunts
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:29, Reply)

Tall, blonde hair, blue eyes.
Everything else is genetically inferior.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:30, Reply)

*does not vote for tangles*

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:31, Reply)

^This is something I can get behind.

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:31, Reply)

Oh, so now you are ginger when it suits you.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:35, Reply)

if it saves me from a gas chamber, then yes

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:36, Reply)

indeed. this can only serve people well, as they age, and things start to fail

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:21, Reply)

Treat a dependency all you like, fix the person, sure.
But they got dependent as a result of their own actions. It's their own fault. Everybody chooses how they're going to respond to bad periods. Burying your head in a bottle to try to avoid dealing with them makes that person weak.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:19, Reply)

I woukldn't say weak. Unable to cope, due to all sorts of stuff like chemical idnbalances isn't a blame issue.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:22, Reply)

I don't really see a situation in which turning to drink is anybody's fault other than your own.
However, I'm not placing blame so much as not having any sympathy.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:26, Reply)

overall i think people are responsible for themselves
but nobody else should judge them for it, as they don't and can never know the full story. they can only judge by their own standards, and most people have no idea what might make them stand up tall under pressure, and what might make them crack like little bitches. therefore they are talking (or writing in the case of the daily fail) out of their arses.

judgments are for really important things, like what colour socks someone is wearing.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:20, Reply)

life ain't all about bitches and money

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:24, Reply)

NWA?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:30, Reply)

well, yours certainly ain't

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:31, Reply)

some don't agree with how I do this, I get straight, meditate like a Buddhist

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:32, Reply)

"getting straight" is not your strong point

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:36, Reply)

Swipe's in the neighbourhood and she's up to no good

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

No-one should take responsibility for their own lives or health.

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:26, Reply)

That's the governments job.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:27, Reply)

I'm not saying that at all, just some people require help, maybe a bit more than others.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:27, Reply)

I think the NHS should refuse to treat anyone who injures themselves, say horse-riding or skiing
Or if their expensive, high-powered car crashes
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:26, Reply)

Don't be silly. People have a right to care.
People also ought to be taking responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming their shitty lives on other people or situations.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:28, Reply)

Are you fucking serious?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:30, Reply)

hand wringing troll is trolling but is also prejudiced against the non-yurt-dwellers

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:30, Reply)

yeah
and those people should stop paying taxes for the nhs too.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:30, Reply)

Everyone knows that the NHS is funded by poor people with their fags anyway

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:31, Reply)

real poor people don't smoke fags, they smoke crack

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:32, Reply)

NO I DON'T!

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:32, Reply)

and rollies

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:35, Reply)

Good point, George Besr was criticised for continuing to booze after his transplant, but he'd chucked enough money into the system.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:32, Reply)

yer it didn't excuse the egregious waste of a donor liver though eh

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:34, Reply)

I applaud the man.
The liver's a wonderfully resilient organ. To destroy one beyond repair is impressive, but to do two of them is downright heroic.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:35, Reply)

The liver is one of our more resilient organs, it can take a great deal ofbattering.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:36, Reply)

THAT'S WHAT KRONEY SAID

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:37, Reply)

Almost word for word.

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

yer I don't think this 'Best Troll' fellow is very bright

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

one of the girls at the weekend was some sort of medic
and she reckoned you can live if your liver is at only 10% of its function. i think i'd rather keep mine at 100% anyway, ta.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:37, Reply)

Diet Coke rots the liver

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

I dread to think what state swipe's septum is in

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

better than yours
given that i didn't think it looked cool to shove a lump of metal through it
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:42, Reply)

I dunno like, one piercing, long closed up, is much less damaging to the nasal septum than heroic amounts of Charleston

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:45, Reply)

well, you'd know
you're the one who lurves to boast about his crazy lifestyle.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:53, Reply)

nothing like a bit of internet alarmism

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:41, Reply)

Except when linking to e-cigarette articles.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:42, Reply)

I had half of mine taken out years ago, I'm saving it for when I've ruined this one.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:38, Reply)

I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars.
The rest I just squandered.

#TOPLAD
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:36, Reply)

Don't smoke endo, can't stand sess

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:29, Reply)

It's difficult for middle class, medium to high earners to empathise, I suppose.
If you don't grow up in the kind of situation where you have no money, no prospects, little education and very little idea where to go to work your way into a *better* situation, I imagine it could be very easy to find yourself doing what other people have done, and turning to one vice or another.

And if you actually do have a substance problem, you don't decide to drink yourself into penury. The only drink you decide to have is the first one. Granted, if you know the first one is going to lead to the next thirty or fifty drinks, then that one decision is pretty stupid. But as someone with no personal experience of anyone with substance abuse problems, and being a massive headwrong myself, I find I have a quite high sympathy threshold.

*shrugs*
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:39, Reply)

precisely this

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:40, Reply)

So what you're saying is it's all poor people's own fault?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:41, Reply)

Fault is the term I'd use.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:41, Reply)

Finally people seem to be getting it

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:44, Reply)

I blame McDonald's.

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:44, Reply)

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:45, Reply)

Yes. That's precisely what I was saying. Exactly.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:44, Reply)

The most awful person in the world is a middle class English heterosexual man.
They cannot do anything but exploit others for their own selfish greed. Cunts.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:46, Reply)

alright Andy Parsons' less funny younger brother

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:46, Reply)

Hey lover - got a kiss for Daddy?

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:54, Reply)

My patient was very successful, own law firm, family etc.
Family bereavements and his missus being unfaithful, led to depression and a.d. He was prescribed meds, but ended up sleeping on another's couch. Tragic, as I said.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:46, Reply)

Probably ended up with a bad back too.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:49, Reply)

Yeah, because people don't die and people don't cheat in other peoples' lives.
I'm not saying it wasn't a bad series of events. I'm saying that this happens all the time and this particular man hid from it with drink and now he's getting kicked out of his flat.

Causes not his fault. He chose to drink. His fault.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:50, Reply)

Hokey jinkers! Is all this hitting a bit close to home LeBeef?
Daddy ent here no more to wipe your tears with his flaccid cock so go suck a fruit shoot yeah?
(Captain Give-A-Fuck #internetpals4eva, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:54, Reply)

lol

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:57, Reply)

I do wonder sometimes what difference there is that makes some people 'copers'
and others 'gibbering wrecks'. If we could figure that out, we could immunise against it.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 12:56, Reply)

It often is a case of a chemical inbalance, but there are so many
other societal factors.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:00, Reply)

That's because some people are bloobloo pissy pantses

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:04, Reply)

Utter nonsense.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:08, Reply)

^hand wringer

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:10, Reply)

I'd prefer it that my job is to provide support and aid for others.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:11, Reply)

Good, can you send me some money?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:14, Reply)

Yes, how much?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:17, Reply)

Couple of grand should cover it

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:20, Reply)

this is just a ruse to send him bumoley pics isn't it?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:25, Reply)

I've perfected the camera angle now

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:29, Reply)

it must be like peering into a hairy black hole of death
shudder shudder shudder
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:34, Reply)

Yeah, you're imagining my bumhole now

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:35, Reply)

Your job's like mine, to fix stuff that's broken.
If you pour water (or in your case 6 litres of cider) into a machine, chances are you're going to break it. You can fix it and educate the user, but it doesn't stop the user being a fucking idiot.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:14, Reply)

I'd be pissing like a racehorse after 6l of cider

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:16, Reply)

6 litres is more than the amount of blood you've got in your system.

( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:19, Reply)

12 pints innit

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:20, Reply)

No, it's nearer ten and a half

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:22, Reply)

Fucking pussy

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:23, Reply)

There is an element of idiocy, but we've all been twats, noone is perfect.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:17, Reply)

Not even Craig or Peter?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:17, Reply)

Perfectly stylish

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:19, Reply)

Asperger's.

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:12, Reply)

Hasn't that been dropped as a definition now?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:13, Reply)

Maybe, I still use it as a catch-all excuse for everything wrong that I say and do.

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:35, Reply)

Blimey
A proper SRSZ thread only went and happened

People deal with pressure in different ways. Loads of us on here go for a pint or seven after a hard week. It helps you unwind. Other people may wish to over-eat and end up fat. Its when it goes too far is the problem.

I genuinely wish scarpe were on here as he has IRL experience of alcohol dependancy and has come through the other side of it
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:14, Reply)

I love a serious thread.
I've got time for scarpe. He overcame being a bloo bloo pissy pants and manned up.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:15, Reply)

Mo too
Sooner or later it always turns into name calling anyways
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:16, Reply)

How far is too far?

(Eeh Blah Gum, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:17, Reply)

It would depend from person to person
Stunned could probably do 10 pints a day and be fine
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:18, Reply)

That's far too much, imho.

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:22, Reply)

Doesn't seem to affect him
Apart from his foot falling off, obv.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:23, Reply)

What?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:29, Reply)

His foot turned to stone and fell off :(

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:30, Reply)

Seriously, what happened? Was it diabetes related?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:31, Reply)

Yes, it took his foot man, the whole thing just snapped off at the ankle.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:32, Reply)

It quite put a damper on the Bristol Bash

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:41, Reply)

so when's the second date???

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:50, Reply)

She went off to Brazil for a gig today
so when she gets back, assuming it wasn't all an elaborate lie to avoid ever seeing me again.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:53, Reply)

he got cursed by a wizard

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:33, Reply)

He's half Pistorius now...
...Pist
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:35, Reply)

You drink far too much Kia-Ora despite it being well documented that it's too orangey for crows.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:17, Reply)

What the...I don't even......ROBINSONS!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:18, Reply)

Um Bongo ro GTFO

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:20, Reply)

Deep

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:21, Reply)

How many people here smoke, as a matter of interest?

(DBT became a fruitarian on, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:19, Reply)

I've smoked about 20 fags ever and numerous joints though nothing at all for about 10 years

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:20, Reply)

I've never smoked anything in my life
which, I think, makes me perfectly suited to a career as a Stop Smoking counsellor.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:22, Reply)

Regularly until 29 and then stopped for two years.
Smoked occasionally for about a year and then stopped for good.
( Kroney, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:23, Reply)

never ever
smoking is for idiots.

my grandma got gangrene from smoking and lost a toe. this haunted my sleep as a 7 year old. MOAR kids should be made to look at a 4-toed foot, it would put them off for life.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:25, Reply)

14.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:26, Reply)

Good research here

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:28, Reply)

Like there's 14 people here....

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:28, Reply)

'People'........

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:30, Reply)

tfgi

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:30, Reply)

+ round the back, by the bins

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:34, Reply)

You appear to have mistaken me for another.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:35, Reply)

+700 suspects

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:38, Reply)

no, the G stands for Gives it, rather than Gets it

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:50, Reply)

Pizza shop. Gotcha.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:56, Reply)

Yeah alright piss off ONS, like I'm giving you my inside leg diameter

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:41, Reply)

It'll all be moot when we're immortal supermen anyway
guardianlv.com/2014/01/ageing-successfully-reversed-in-mice-human-trials-to-begin-next/
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 31 Mar 2014, 13:42, Reply)