is there some factual evidence that the taser was to blameor is this just more of B3ta's judgment?
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HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:33,
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Its not the meme I'm on aboutits the suggestion that this bloke is guilty (is that not what the Bill and Ted pic is about - referring to the american pilots)
( HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:40,
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ProbablySorry it went completely over my head. I didn't sleep at all last night.
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Bela Lugosi's Dad,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:44,
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just playing fast 'n' loose with the facts meself.I'd be quite surprised if the prat hadn't just pulled his own trigger first.
But I'm pretty sure 'belittling authority/power at every available opportunity' is a noble aim. And a very b3ta-compatible one.
*EDIT* And I'd be very worried about you if you relied on b3ta to help you form a solid judgement about anything at all, apart from whether squirrels ought to have fur on their nipples or not.
(But I'm pretty sure 'belittling authority/power at every available opportunity' is a noble aim. And a very b3ta-compatible one.
*EDIT* And I'd be very worried about you if you relied on b3ta to help you form a solid judgement about anything at all, apart from whether squirrels ought to have fur on their nipples or not.
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:38,
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Evolutionary fail.It would be very difficult for a squirrel kitten to make good suction if there was fur in the way.
/humourlessness.
(/humourlessness.
Colonel Boris "...a desperate Buzzfeed imitation...",
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:46,
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And hairs caught between the teeth cause misery both ways. Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:49,
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its not me believing what I read I'm worrying aboutit's this guy being suspended and investigated due to internet rumours which the Daily mail print as key witness statements
( HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:55,
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Not a Mail reader meself, but to address your point seriously,it's possible (probable, even) that clear evidence will be produced that the prat pulled his trigger first, and within a few days.
With the amount of video technology amassed at the scene, the details will be inescapable.
Unless there's an inquiry which delivers its findings in 2018.
However; the pic of the snarling taser copper is total b3ta-bait. As it might be to every highbrow political cartoonist in the land.
And this idea of "b3ta-judgement" is, I reckon, wobbly. People approach b3ta from all kinds of angles. Some get shouted down from time to time,
but always re-emerge. Or cease to bother.
It's possible that, after a few years, there's a community forming (you know this better than me). But there's a high turnover. Veterans getting sick of it, and new people who love it. Its values might change.
As an arch-b3tan yourself, perhaps you might like to call a summit meeting to revise the FAQs?
(With the amount of video technology amassed at the scene, the details will be inescapable.
Unless there's an inquiry which delivers its findings in 2018.
However; the pic of the snarling taser copper is total b3ta-bait. As it might be to every highbrow political cartoonist in the land.
And this idea of "b3ta-judgement" is, I reckon, wobbly. People approach b3ta from all kinds of angles. Some get shouted down from time to time,
but always re-emerge. Or cease to bother.
It's possible that, after a few years, there's a community forming (you know this better than me). But there's a high turnover. Veterans getting sick of it, and new people who love it. Its values might change.
As an arch-b3tan yourself, perhaps you might like to call a summit meeting to revise the FAQs?
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:11,
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no, you're getting the wrong end of the stickI've got no problem with a photo meme, that's not what I was saying.
Why do I always forget that a simple conversation is a fucking stupid thing to have on B3ta
(Why do I always forget that a simple conversation is a fucking stupid thing to have on B3ta
HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:16,
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So what were you whining about in the first place then, y' daft so 'n' so?Express yourself more clearly, and perhaps you won't have to end up throwing the toys out of the pram.
If I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, it was a pretty inarticulate stick. I understood the words you typed, and gave you a perfectly reasonable answer.
Why do I always forget a stupid conversation is a fucking simple thing to have on b3ta?
(If I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, it was a pretty inarticulate stick. I understood the words you typed, and gave you a perfectly reasonable answer.
Why do I always forget a stupid conversation is a fucking simple thing to have on b3ta?
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:28,
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It really doesn't matter, but if helps I'll gaz you HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:32,
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That's just procedure nowadays, regardless of the Daily Fail. Colonel Boris "...a desperate Buzzfeed imitation...",
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:12,
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The picture is a frozen moment, and not necessarily a great indication of the actual events.At last report, there were two officers with tazers at the scene.
So it's 50/50 that he's our man.
But he was the first person I thought of when they announced that a tazer was discharged - he just looks like the kind of guy who'd zap another guy for fun..
EDIT: And I don't pretend to know whether or not the tazer was fired before or after Moat pulled the trigger. It's possible I never will.
(So it's 50/50 that he's our man.
But he was the first person I thought of when they announced that a tazer was discharged - he just looks like the kind of guy who'd zap another guy for fun..
EDIT: And I don't pretend to know whether or not the tazer was fired before or after Moat pulled the trigger. It's possible I never will.
Captain Howdy,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:54,
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again, not his firing a taser in questionits the suggestion that he is to blame for the gun firing as opposed to a legitimate attempt to disarm.
( HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 9:57,
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The IPCC are investigating but contrary to what you might hear it's as a matter of procedure.
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Bela Lugosi's Dad,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:01,
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Personally I think regardless of his role in the tazer-usage on Moatthe whole gurning to the camera shows a high level of unprofessionalism given the sensitivity of the siege situation. He should, if for no other reason, be brought to book for his childish gung-ho behaviour during this ordeal.
As for b3ta the whole gurning makes him a perfect meme to have the piss ripped out of him, Freebase is a very popular meme and that bloke didn't really do anything nearly as wrong as this Policeman other than have his photo taken during a rowing competition :D
(As for b3ta the whole gurning makes him a perfect meme to have the piss ripped out of him, Freebase is a very popular meme and that bloke didn't really do anything nearly as wrong as this Policeman other than have his photo taken during a rowing competition :D
maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:23,
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I'VE NOTHING AGAINST THE PHOTO!!! :Dalthough I didn't see it as gurning when I saw it, I read his expression more as a snapshot of a man talking or possibly shouting "get that fucking camera out of my face can't you see I'm a little tied up right now" :D
( HappyToast Groat froth,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:25,
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ThisOr possibly even shouting, "Get the fuck down, you stupid arse of a photographer. That bloke over there has a fucking shotgun". If he was trying to save the photographer's life, I bet he now wishes to hell that he hadn't bothered.
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Skotzmun Blah blah secret passage blah blah diamonds.,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 12:52,
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Could it not be the case thathe was signalling to the cameraman his displeasure of their being in that location taking photos? Signalling that is, without taking the weapon off the dangerous gun murderer?
I admit, the facial expression doesn't exactly give that impression...but hey innocent until...and all that ;)
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Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:26,
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I admit, the facial expression doesn't exactly give that impression...but hey innocent until...and all that ;)
Yeah I thought that too and looking at the expression of the non-uniformed man next to him it doesindeed look like that could be true. However, shouting and gurning to Photographers is not exactly tactful behaviour given the situation and more like to provoke a negative response that a bunch of prats with cameras looking for that Front Page shot, it also shows the lack of control the Police have in securing the area.
( maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:34,
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nah, I get that,but I'd rather they were concentrating on the task at hand,
rather thatn thinking about what they look like in front of a cameraman.
although you can't guarantee impartiality from all police officers all the time either, so I'd defend the press in their right to take the pictures too.
again, it's going to be down to how the humans involved respond to the moral necessities at the time; although external pressures like "getting the scoop" sometimes outweight morality in the case of the press, occasionaly the police murder black people. it's swings and roundabouts.
/note sarcasm in the above statement ;D
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Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:44,
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rather thatn thinking about what they look like in front of a cameraman.
although you can't guarantee impartiality from all police officers all the time either, so I'd defend the press in their right to take the pictures too.
again, it's going to be down to how the humans involved respond to the moral necessities at the time; although external pressures like "getting the scoop" sometimes outweight morality in the case of the press, occasionaly the police murder black people. it's swings and roundabouts.
/note sarcasm in the above statement ;D
From the photo, I dont think you can tell if he;s pulling that face for the benefit of the camera or not.As for memes, I think theyre all shit - the b3ta equivalent of catch-phrase based comedy.
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Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:29,
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No like I said above, I do think the gurn was caused because he was shouting at the cameramanbut really he could have controlled the situation better by quietly radioing for some uniform to come in and pull away the prat of a Photograher.
( maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:38,
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Isn't it entirely possible that...he just really, really needed a shit? I mean, he must have been there for hours. Imagine holding in a turtle's head for that long.
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Sun 11 Jul 2010, 11:24,
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Mystery, like good soup, thickens.As BLD said, we'll just have to wait until we're told.
( Captain Howdy,
Sun 11 Jul 2010, 10:25,
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