yes, you've been brought up well.others have not.
We can either ignore that environments exist in which people are brought up to display such behaviour or seek to deal with the reasons for it.
(We can either ignore that environments exist in which people are brought up to display such behaviour or seek to deal with the reasons for it.
drbroon abloooobloobloo,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:14,
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Well - if you'd like to lay out the excuses for not bringing someone up well, that would be great."Being poor" is not an excuse. I know plenty of people - some of whom don't even have their own butlers - who are impecably behaved, despite having been brought up very much on the wrong side of the tracks.
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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:19,
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"Why are chavs" is a huge enigma, though.What you've just said there is pretty much "chavs because chavs".
Once again, though, you might be right. The whole thing might just be noise.
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:23,
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Once again, though, you might be right. The whole thing might just be noise.
not excuses, reasons.poor health and education of parents are factors.
( drbroon abloooobloobloo,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:29,
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It's a recursive thing, isn't it?Being brought up badly would explain why that person then brings someone else up badly.
From a lot of comments I've seen dismissing any idea of upbringing being a factor, I think a lot of people don't like the idea that we can be raised to be bad, simply because it means that our personalities are merely a product of luck, rather than some magical unchangable thing special to ourselves.
That said, excusing the violence entirely because of 'society' is not only dumb, but incredibly patronising to people from the same backgrounds who do not act like that.
(From a lot of comments I've seen dismissing any idea of upbringing being a factor, I think a lot of people don't like the idea that we can be raised to be bad, simply because it means that our personalities are merely a product of luck, rather than some magical unchangable thing special to ourselves.
That said, excusing the violence entirely because of 'society' is not only dumb, but incredibly patronising to people from the same backgrounds who do not act like that.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:44,
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I've said many times, that I am not excusing anything
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drbroon abloooobloobloo,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:48,
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Sorry, that line wasn't aimed at you.I agree with your stance.
It was more a general comment on many comments I've seen that do seem completely divided down two extreme opinions, and refusing to accept that it can be both the individual and society to blame.
(It was more a general comment on many comments I've seen that do seem completely divided down two extreme opinions, and refusing to accept that it can be both the individual and society to blame.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:54,
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Oh, the upbringing anglethat's even more baffling territory. I'm a bit afraid the riots will be used to argue for all sorts of harsh and primitive discipline, and cause pointless heartache and pain and screwed-upness for future generations, who will still riot anyway.
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:21,
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Sadly I suspect you are right.The whole thing flags up lots of long-term problems which need fixing - schooling etc, but I suspect that they will all be ignored for quick fixes in dealing with crime after the event.
( monkeon schmonkeon,
Wed 10 Aug 2011, 11:49,
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I was more worrying about headteachers recommending that parents say "no" moreand blaming the riots on a failure of parents to say "no". And then the parents say "no" to their kids a lot, thinking that they're instilling a sense of discipline and obedience, resulting in kids who are both angrier and more ignorant (because they haven't been allowed experiences), and worse at relating to people (because any attempt at negotiation over something they want just leads to "no").
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Wed 10 Aug 2011, 12:03,
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