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# have some of the polaroids i'm working on
CFB

you can see more at my website here

edit: now officially the longest thread i've ever started on here
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:16, archived)
# *checks out gobbledegook's double polaroid!*
How exactly does own work on a polaroid? Apart from pressing the button?
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:18, archived)
# well this one
was taken on a 5X4 view camera on a 6 minute exposure and an aperture of f.32. its part of a set of dystopian night landscapes.
if your not a photographer all that means is that it was a bunch of effort
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:24, archived)
# Can it be milked?
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:26, archived)
# oh yes!
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:28, archived)
# The trouble with long exposure time is...
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:39, archived)
# damn teh quo
ruining me images
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:40, archived)
# Pfft!
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:49, archived)
# I took this with a camera phone. I love it.
Photobucket
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:29, archived)
# makes you proud to be british
(I helped save b3ta! doph no time like the precedent, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:31, archived)
# I made this

I'm really happy with it.
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:34, archived)
# Cool. Looks like the opening
to some Trisha Style chat show!

(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:51, archived)
# Trish was edited on Windows Movie Maker.
FACT.
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:53, archived)
# Looks not unlike most of our resident chavs front gardens
The shopping trolleys are used as cheap taxis, you take them home with your shopping, bash them to bits to get your pound back, then leave them in the street for the kids to ride them into peoples cars.

Fun for all teh family...
(I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:37, archived)
# Family being a 12 year old mother with three children?
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:39, archived)
# Yup.
...complete with "Father of the Week"
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:55, archived)
# Sounds like fun.
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:58, archived)
# Well, you're glad not to own a car around here,
I shit mesen everytime we get a driving visitor and I hear the children 'playing'.

often followed by the sounds of stuff breaking
(I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:14, archived)
# and you can do all that with a polaroid camera
?

PS you're
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:29, archived)
# no a view camera
one of these
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:31, archived)
# so not a polaroid then?
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:34, archived)
# well its loaded with fuji FP-100C
colour Polaroid film
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:35, archived)
# I realyl wonder why peopel bother faffing about with film these days
it strikes me as being somewhat pretentious

it's not the tools y'know it's really not

you say you've created a dystopian night landscape, I see a picture of a bus stop

I expect I'd understand it if I had a degree or something

and I wouldn't call myself a photographer, I just take photos of things
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:39, archived)
# film ain't pretentious
you try taking that on a digital, won't look the same its the colour cast
also thats only one of a set so the general feeling is lost a bit
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:42, archived)
# What, the essence of the overflowing bin?
:D
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:44, archived)
# Correct me if I'm wrong
but can't you change the settings on most digital SLRs so that they mimic the colours of most films? That, and tattyshop will help out. Seems to me that if you use film, you limit yourself to what the film can do. Digital you can play with all day long.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:45, archived)
# most of the time i'd agree with you cos i do love digi
but 5X4 cameras with digital backs are massively expensive and you just can't get the quality or aperture from a DSLR
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:49, archived)
# BOLLOCKS
my nikon can happily do a 32 aperture and six minute exposure

admitiedly, I'd have to hold down the button for 6 minutes, but nonetheless

/edit if you think I'm getting mouthy, please let me know, I'm having a very stressful day in work, I'm quitting smoking and my cat is dying so I may well be over-reacting
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:55, archived)
# I find all this really interesting
the girlfriend has a photography degree, and I have limited crime-scene photography training. We've debated film v digital a lot.

She loves digi but maintains there is a time and place for film. I also think she gets a kick out of being able to develop her stuff by herself.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:59, archived)
# there is nothing as cool as printing your own film images
the bit where it magically appears on the paper is the best
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:02, archived)
# Some things should always remain analogue...
...like Synthesisers. I think digital wins over film though purely for the instant gratification. I have used one roll of 35mm film in my whole life, and only about 7 of the photos turned out.
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:08, archived)
# Hmm..
Crime scene photo training?

Don't you still have to use film only for that? Just wondered coz that's what I got told waaaaaaaay back in the mists of time when I tried to become a photographer for the police.

I likes film, but rarely use it these days..
(I helped save b3ta! Equus is still lurking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:16, archived)
# Digital is just starting to become more widley used
with the advent digital watermark systems and such.

Also, you have to keep all the original pictures you take on the memory card. Even if they're crap or all blurry, you keep them. Keeps the chain of evidence intact.

And if you DO have to change them in anyway, you make and edit a copy. The system will then log every pixel that's changed and how it has changed.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:20, archived)
# Ah,
Sounds much better..

Didn't get any training out of it, got told after the first interviewy thing that I was the wrong sort for the job (damn my socialist parents and their protesting ways)

Still, would've been an interesting (and probably depressing) job.. Trying to find the materiality and textures of a knifing, maybe aim to do a certain crime scene in the theme of a biblical ethic and all that..
(I helped save b3ta! Equus is still lurking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:27, archived)
# over-reacting? on b3ta? never.
however your nikon cannot do f64 or 5X4 large format images thats 10,200X13,600 pixel images
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:01, archived)
# well, now
I have actually produced a number of 100,000 X 21,000 images via the magic of photostitching

admitiddly I haven't tried any long exposure ones like that and I'm not sure it would quite work

but more importantly at those kind of dimensions my computer crashes any time I try to open the final stitched image

all things are possible

well I'm not so sure about f64, none of my lenses can do that
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:06, archived)
# photostitching has the problem of distortions in the perpective
(yes i know you can shop that out but EFFORT!)
its all debatable but i like using film and digital cos you can do stuff with one that you can't with the other.
versatility is the name of the game
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:10, archived)
# this is true, however
to get a camera to have the capability to properly mimic a particular type of camera you need a fancy camera or to use tattyshop to manipulate ti you kinda need to know what you're doing

however

fuck that, you don't need fancy shit, I've taken some of my best photos with shitty shitty camera phones or a 20 quid digital

a shitty digitial will give you all the low down phunked up lo fi feel of a 1963 rizla box slr 2 stroke whatever with fungi pixie 23.6 film or whatever bollocks you happen to have

but film is essentially limiting, I don't understand why you would restrict yourself to only 23 shots or having to ait a day to find out if you rpoduced anything worthwhile
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:53, archived)
# i am no photographer
but from the very little i know, film can be made to do pretty much anything in the right hands.
also love the use of the word dystopian instead of grim.
/has an art degree although you'd never guess blog.

but i do like digital, fire off hundreds of shots and pick the best 2, dump the rest, result.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:55, archived)
# yes you can do a lot with film, but it seems an unnecessary contrivance
Like "I will only paint this picture on tuesdays" or I will sculpt this statue with one arm and hopping

does it really add anything to the final work?
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:00, archived)
# its more like saying
why use charcoal? pencils do the same thing.
yes they do but it ain't the same.
similar thing with film v digi

edit: and another thing is that any muppet can take a decent digi image whereas film requires a certain level of skill and patience
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:04, archived)
# mmmmm
I reckon didgital just makes it easier to take a shite photo

if you're going to take shite photos, using film won't help but at least if you use digital you can see right away that it's shite and maybe take another better one
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:12, archived)
# in the end it boils down to preferance really
i like both mediums and will continue to use them for as long as i can be arsed
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:15, archived)
# no.
i gave up on all that 'being true to the materials nonsense' it's results that count in the end, processes are all well and lovely and it's handy if you know how to do things old school, but ultimately who gives a shit, i'd much rather do something in 5 mins that traditionally took hours.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:04, archived)
# I did enjoy working with proper B&W low grain film at college and processing it myself,
you could get really creepy looks to things, all grainy and spooky, was hard to imitate any other way.
(I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:19, archived)
# horses for courses
i'm a great believer in using whichever technique
is best suited to getting the desired result.old school can be a lot more fun to do but unless you're a performance artist where the doing is the 'art' does how you got to the result matter.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:49, archived)
# There's something to be said
For old mechanical tools, and things you can actually see working, like vinyl and film cameras and carburettors. I wouldn't claim the results are better, but the process should be part of the fun as well. You might have to be a geeky engineer to appreciate it.
(I helped save b3ta! JimM, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:57, archived)
# oh I love a bit of vinyl
but to me vinyl is a sound wave solidified in plastic, you can actually see it, look, there it is

and who the fuck is making that noise? it's liek an invisible spiderman on the window
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:01, archived)
# I'm a geeky engineer.
I love putting things together that normally wouldn't be involved with each other. Most recently: Electric Violins and Vocoders.
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:39, archived)
# You know...
...it looks just like a photo taken with a camera phone.

sorry.
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:02, archived)
# It's just the film that's polaroid, I'm guessing
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:33, archived)
# winner
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:36, archived)
# And then you stood there for 6 minutes with the cable release?
Or was it automatic?

6 minutes is a long time to stand.
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:38, archived)
# *falls over after standing up for too long*
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:39, archived)
# its got a shutter lock open mechanism
press it once to open
start stopwatch
wait
press again to close
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:40, archived)
# Ah.
Loads of effort then ;)
(I helped save b3ta! NinjaBadger hides in the bushes and gives you TB., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:42, archived)
# yeah
its quite an easy job
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 10:46, archived)
# You mean
you get paid for this?

on purpose?
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:11, archived)
# yep
and i don't start work till the crack of noon
life is hard
(gobbledegook blurs the line between lurking and stalking, Sat 2 Feb 2008, 11:12, archived)