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# Need a light?

CFB (200kb) | More demons and shit at bobtodd.deviantart.com

That's meant to be perspective; not flid arm + giant hand.

'Ning.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:28, archived)
# Nice hand

I could never get those quite how I wanted.
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:30, archived)
# Oo, sorry. ): I'm not ignoring you; I just forgot to reply.
Ta. (: And don't forget you always have reference right in front of you (unless you are some sort of flid, robot or robot flid).
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:52, archived)
# Hehe, no worries

I always draw from my own hand as an example. Maybe that's where it goes wrong ;)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:54, archived)
# giant hand is on fire!
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:30, archived)
# He's a fire demon;
they can do that.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:30, archived)
# woo btw
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:33, archived)
# Ta. (:
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:33, archived)
# :)
Lovely as per
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:33, archived)
# Oo, what a fluffy thing to read. :D
I do like your giant pixelmashes.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:35, archived)
# *goes shy*
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:37, archived)
# I was sitting here wondering why half his body was hovering over a logfire for a few minutes.
"Perhaps he is trying to piss on the campfire like in those gnome scenes in Golden Axe."
"Oh wait, those aren't logs..."
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:36, archived)
# Ha, oh dear.
I suppose that because I know what it is it didn't occur to me that it might not be obvious to other people.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:38, archived)
# I think it's because you didn't draw lower chest or arm through the fire.
So I kind of just assumed it wasn't there like some ghostly apparition.

N.B: Have you considered doing more deranged demons? Or the same ones with massive chainguns, mowing down people and laughing manically.
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:42, archived)
# I do have something akin to the latter in my head;
I've been weighing up whether I can be arsed drawing it. I think I might.

Lower arm is there through the fire; but the fire's outlines overwhelm it.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:44, archived)
# i had that too
but can't think how to change it
(I helped save b3ta! Bloop Fri 16 Jul, 22:10, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:43, archived)
# This is my reference photo, if that makes it easier to understand:
ahrum-stock.deviantart.com/art/Right-Arm-of-Judgement-28-70827703
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:46, archived)
# Reference image?
I feel shocked and betrayed.

I just thought you were really good at anatomy :(
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:49, archived)
# Drawing without reference isn't a badge of honour.
In fact, it's a daft thing to do. And you can't get good at anatomy by never using reference.

Kristen Perry explains it better than I could: www.merekatcreations.com/mere_html/tutorials/process.html
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:53, archived)
# Trial and error. You work at something until it looks right.
That way you know how to do anatomy and construction without reference, which helps a lot when you are trying to draw things which you physically couldn't have plausible references for.

It's like saying that when drawing buildings instead of learning perspective you should always just look at references of buildings instead, which is fine for copying shapes and details of architecture. But when it comes that you want to draw a building at a particular angle, and you want to add an arch to it or something, it's unlikely unless you had a particular building that you were drawing from beforehand that you will be able to find a reference from the right angle. I would just like to be able to draw, and not even proper artistic life drawing drawings, but passibly outline or illustrate a human figure without having to find an image of a twirling overcoat from below or something.
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:04, archived)
# I find that just looking 'right' often looks quite wrong --
sometimes I'll sketch a picture with no reference, then draw it again with reference. Even though the first one looked right when I did it, I nearly always surprise myself with how much I got wrong when I do the second one.

Yes, you do need to learn perspective/anatomy too, but that's still a kind of reference.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:06, archived)
# Well I've just read that link, well I read the preperation and the stuff about reference
and had to skip through the rest due to it being so long.

All I can really comment is that despite using a reference the front hand going for the katana looks wrong. I think it's because in his version as opposed to the reference, the hand is bent down at the wrist slightly and the lower arm is less vertical than it is in the photo. Also the fact the fingers are completely straight and not even slightly bent in preperation to grasp the hilt makes it look unnatural - completely straight fingers themselves being a fairly unnatural pose to be in.
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:22, archived)
# :3
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:38, archived)
# What is that?
Is it a smily cat-thing?
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:40, archived)
# >:3
 
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:28, archived)
# Awww!
*tickles ears*
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:32, archived)
# Nice!
I'm liking these!
:)
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:45, archived)
# Ta. (:
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 21:46, archived)
# Top
demon =)

have a woo
(I helped save b3ta! Steerable_forehead Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration,don't fail me now, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:00, archived)
# *accepts woo*
Yay! Fankoo.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:01, archived)
# he stares into my soul!
 
ALSO: THIS IMAGE IS 666 PIXELS WIDE
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:24, archived)
# Yes, yes it is. :D I was wondering if anyone would notice.
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Todd whee, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:28, archived)
# I don't check the properties of every image
but since I browse with images turned off, the dimensions come up when I view 'em.

HAIL SATAN
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 22:31, archived)