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# dull, up its own arse
pointless waste of film, imho.
(I helped save b3ta! Lumpbucket tekcubpmuL, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:02, archived)
#
don't hold back, you just let it all out
(I helped save b3ta! Happyperson, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:04, archived)
# heh ok :)
i'll shut up about it now. I've only seen the first 20 minutes or so of the film, tbh. It was at that point that I realised I was actually more bored than I would have been had I just watched the wall for 20 minutes.
(I helped save b3ta! Lumpbucket tekcubpmuL, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:05, archived)
# oh no - you should see the rest.
he changes the burgess' whole fucking point as well as being irritatingly overstylised.

bastard.
(grampski, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:20, archived)
# True, most of the book's point is in the second half
and most of that comes across in Alex's thoughts and the motives of the government which Stanley omitted. Stanley also left out the epilogue, which pissed me off.
(pattybutty and chips, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:25, archived)
# he really was
a cunt.

;)

i was waiting for a 'p.s.' at the end of the film.
(grampski, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:30, archived)
# The epilogue
wasn't in the edition Kubrick read - but he didn't like it when he read it afterwards anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:31, archived)
# Furry muff
but I reckon there's loads of stuff there, crime & punishment, the callous nature of youth, violent relationships... it's got it all!
Kubrick was a genius, shame Eyes Wide Shut was such a piece of shit..
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:05, archived)
# 2001
was also a piece of shit. although the monkey who throws the bone was my mate's dad.
(I helped save b3ta! mikeisbrill, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:08, archived)
# My answer is two-fold:
a. But... but... 2001 is wicked as well! Drawn out, but eerie as fuck
b. Your mate's dad was 'the chimp with the stick'? That's a brilliant claim to fame!!
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:11, archived)
# 2001 is a big lot of floppy donkey's cocks.
(I helped save b3ta! mikeisbrill, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:13, archived)
# No
I think more people'd remember those if it was...
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:16, archived)
# it is
pretty damn rubbish, though.
(I helped save b3ta! Lumpbucket tekcubpmuL, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:18, archived)
# Actually
I really like 2001, but easily understand why most people think it's boring, pointless drivel.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:27, archived)
# I agree. 2001 is absolutely wicked
Though I'll have to admit it takes several watchings to appreciate the film properly.

edit: and reading ACC's book helps too
(pattybutty and chips, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:21, archived)
# how can you call a clockwork orange dull
and like blade runner? a clockwork orange is far from a masterpiece but it is funny as hell and a shitlot better than that unicorn crap blade runner shit fuck.
(I helped save b3ta! mikeisbrill, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:05, archived)
# *shrug*
bladerunner is good. these things are subjective.
(I helped save b3ta! Lumpbucket tekcubpmuL, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:06, archived)
# je suis
avec toi.
(martian, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:07, archived)
# each to their own
one man's meat, etc etc
(I helped save b3ta! mikeisbrill, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:08, archived)
# Catch the penny, miss the paaaand
Two bushes in the pocket is worth... ohfuckit
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:09, archived)
# I think the differences
between those films can be explained by:
Kubrick understood his source novel, Scott clearly did not.

Who cares if Anthony Burgess chickened out in the 2nd edition
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:10, archived)
# Anthony Burgess chickened out on what
in the 2nd Edition?
(pattybutty and chips, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:18, archived)
# there was
a giant chicken that took over leeds.

that was the first edition tho.
(grampski, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:21, archived)
# He added
in the final chapter where one of Alex meets one of his droogs in the pub and finds out he's happily married.
Alex then later loses his taste for violence when he's out with his new gang. Lives happily ever after, the end.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:26, archived)
# I didn't know that.
I always took the epilogue as an attempt by Burgess to suggest that crime is 'just a phase' and given the chance criminals will 'grow out of it' without the need for drastic re-programming in jail. Might have to dig out my copy and give it a re-read again me-thinks.
(pattybutty and chips, Tue 4 Mar 2003, 15:43, archived)