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# nice
serves him right tho
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:27, archived)
# I can't say i'm terribly sympathetic
if you hack into the Pentagon, that's fairly heavy fucking shit

You should expect the book thrown at you
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:32, archived)
# indeed
plus he didnt share what he found with the internets
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:33, archived)
# ^this^
if there is proof of ufos I want to see it so I can have a flying car and stop paying so fucking much for petrol
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:34, archived)
# you'd just have to pay a shitload for flying-car-fuel anyway
so it's moot :)
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:35, archived)
# you'll just have to pay some anti-grav tax
(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 My brain has too many tabs open, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:49, archived)
# The cunt
an outrage
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:35, archived)
# Where were you to defend me earlier?
www.b3ta.com/board/9614943

;)
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:36, archived)
# Having quite a manic day at work I imagine
He did cause at least $700,000 of damage; and on a very simple level, why the fuck do people think they have a right to hack into computers? People who think hacking computers as something other than someone breaking into your house, or a government building, are precious cunts up their own arses as far as I am concerned


(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:44, archived)
# FREEDOM FOR THE GUILTY SEVEN!
ok, so they picked a bad name
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:47, archived)
# Shadowrun
made it look so romantic
(I helped save b3ta! Bob the mul Don't look at me that way, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:48, archived)
# "He did cause at least $700,000 of damage"
Evidence please. That figure is simply what our good ole Yankee friends told us.
They arrived at it by taking the minimum damages value required for extradition ($5000 I think) and multiplying it by the number of computers he accessed.
He didn't do any damage, he simply forced them to spend money on security that they should have had in the first place.

Yes, he should be tried. No, it should not be in the US.

I'm sick of seeing our government bending over and taking it up the arse from a country that kidnaps and tortures people.
A very "special relationship" indeed.
 
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:02, archived)
# Why not in the US?
That's where he committed his crime. Hiding behind a monitor doesn't excuse you from causing damage elsewhere. That financial figure was quote on the news and I should imagine quite a liberal figure given they had to completely figure out how the guy got through their defenses in the first place; involving people on daily salaries I can't even imagine, given it ultimately involves US national defense

Edit: This is what he potentially might have put into jeopardy:

US Navy:
332,000 personnel
280 ships, 3,700 aircraft

US Airforce:
327,452 active personnel
5,573 aircraft, of which 2,286 are fighters
450 ICBMs
46 satellites

US Army:
Size 1,090,000+

If you can't make the connection as to why they might be concerned about being hacked into and not wanting to simply shrug this one of, realistically you may be ever so slightly naive.
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:10, archived)
# I disagree
He did not commit his crime in the US. He's never been to the US.
He did it here.

That figure is an artificially inflated one which conveniently makes it an extraditable offence.
If you have any understanding of what he actually did, you'll know that the damages figure is total bullshit.

They simply want to use him as a scapegoat for some appallingly lax security.

edit :
Thanks for the edit with the armed forces data, but it doesn't have any bearing on the fact that they have deliberately lied about the damages for the purposes of making an example of him.
If you don't believe that then it's you who is naive.
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:28, archived)
# "He did not commit his crime in the US. He's never been to the US"
But he hacked into a computer system physically based in the United States, I am confused as to why you don't grasp this. This seems completely obviously to me.

So therefore he shouldn't be prosecuted for his crimes in the United States, where he committed them? Are you suggesting we don't take cyber crime seriously?

This is a reasonably tight fit; the guy has been caught hacking the most powerful military machine on earth; which has subsequent ramifications for us all, and expects leniency? It's all very cute and naive, but he should have always expected everything thrown at him before he connected to the internet and behaved like a twat, with some obviously dazzling cunning.I never intended to post the above as some justification for what has transpired, but some of your reactions have been incredible
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:48, archived)
# I grasp your argument, I just don't agree with it.
I'm well aware of where the IT systems are and I don't condone what he did. I am simply of the opinion that his offence was committed here.

Quite frankly, I'm just as surprised by your reaction as you seem to be by mine.

I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:01, archived)
# Moments like this need a good beer garden to iron understandings out ;)
Life isn't an abc affair
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:10, archived)
# says the same person whose profile says "I don't like bullies"
The USA are the biggest bullies in the playground. We should tell them to stick their extradition case up their arse.

If he did something illegal while in the UK, prosecute him here.

Using anti-terror laws to extradite an idiot script kiddie is just plain wrong.
 
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 21:57, archived)
# he did something illeagle in cyberspace
and in essence the crime was committed in the colonies as that’s where the action of looking at restriced materials happend.
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:10, archived)
# no
his eyes are here, so any looking he did was done here
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:30, archived)
# yes but where did he take the data from?
the US. therefore the theft occurred there he merely looked at his ill-gotten gains at his house, the theft took place in the US.
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:34, archived)
# He has not been charged with theft
and he has not deprived them of any data.

If you're going to spout off about the case, at least do some basic research into it.
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:37, archived)
# thats my opinion.
however what’s with your apparent hatred of america and the urge you feel to argue the toss with people in an attempt to make them she the world through your point of view? Well that’s my opinion of what you’re doing.
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:42, archived)
# Nothing wrong with arguing your point of view with people.
Besides, you posted your opinion first, presumably in "an attempt to make them see the world through your point of view", so it's fair game.

I like America and its people just fine (well most of them). It's the politicians, both there and here, that I have a problem with.

Still, if you want to continue to jump to erroneous conclusions by making false assumptions, be my guest.
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:55, archived)
# the moon is made of cheese.
you are right expressing opinions are just fine however when they clash and there isn’t a lot of information available then one can only make assumptions. I do however agree with you about the politicians.
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:02, archived)
# NO
Mr. McKinnon left a message in one Pentagon computer making clear that his actions were politically motivated. In court, they represented the message as having said: “U.S. foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism. I will continue to disrupt at the highest possible level.”
(I helped save b3ta! elbow, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:50, archived)
# so he threatens one of the world powers
and then seams shocked when they take action?
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:54, archived)
# i know, right?
"but, but, i have aspergers!"

yeah, sorry pal...
(I helped save b3ta! elbow, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 22:58, archived)
# He also left a message mocking 9/11
Not the smartest thing to do, but neither message makes him a terrorist.
If it did, there's an awful lot of b3tards, myself included, who should be expecting a knock on the door.
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:05, archived)
# still a threats a threat
especially if its towards a military power, even more so when you have shown that you can inflict the damage/ disruption you promise
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:13, archived)
# they should just nuke him from orbit
it's the only way to be sure
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:20, archived)
# whilst that would be entertaining
the fallouts not worth it
(radial head fracture, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:23, archived)
# fair enough
till we have more of the facts, i'll refer to this comment
www.b3ta.com/board/9616139
(I helped save b3ta! elbow, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 23:17, archived)