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# I done gone made an old-skool stop motion fer y'all


*Geek Info* Nikon D70, Interfit EX150 lighting (Softbox and White Umbrella) and Digital Photography Table
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:16, archived)
# oooooh
very nicely done
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:17, archived)
# gaaaah I REALLY don't like those things
I think it's the blank face....I just imagine that head turning round to look at me, and then jerkily twitching into life every time I have my back turned *shudder*
(I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:18, archived)
# He's racing over to where you live right now to do a Ceiling Cat on you :D
But if you don't like the blank face stick a Jesus head on it ;)
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:22, archived)
# *click*
(I helped save b3ta! doog Don't read this., Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:03, archived)
# bloody hellfire
You evil sod ;D
(I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:09, archived)
# brilliant
well done!
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:20, archived)
# Nice.
Geek request - looking to invest in a digital SLR thinly disguised as a christmas pressie for Mrs. H. Want kind of top end of entry-level stuff and am torn between Pentax K-X and Canon 500D. Any thoughts?

EDIT - Thank you all. I'm not sure it's clarified my decision much but some fruitful lines of enquiry opened up. Ta.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:24, archived)
# I'd say go with the Canon it's a better camera by far
plus the range of lenses for the Canon is way way bigger. Pentax has some problems although they might have ironed them out, but the two brands you will find are the best investment are Canon and Nikon.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:28, archived)
# Ooo controversial...
I was leaning towards the Pentax...

From what I gather, Pentax/Nikon/Canon are the three makes to look at - anyone else is a johnny-come-lately to the proper photography game. Beyond that there is a lot of brand loyalty involved. I had heard that some of the early Pentax DSLRs were a bit ropey but thaT THEY'D LARGELY WORKED THOSE SORTS OF THINGS OUT AAAARGH CAPS LOCK!

Also I think a few of my folks had old Pentax cameras and I might be able to swipe some lenses off them.

Dunno - going to go down to the camera shop tomorrow and have a play with a few. And then probably shaft the poor shopkeeper and buy it online...

Cheers for the advice.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:34, archived)
# I wouldn't bank on being able to use the old Pentax lenses
especially if they are designed for a film camera as a true Digital Lens has to be far more precise than the old film lenses and the focal point is far more critical on a digital lens. At best you will get a lens that you would have to use manually and even then you will get alsorts of image problems. Pentax is pretty much a johnny come lately but the brand loyalty is pretty much for a good reason. I own a Nikon and I love them but I would say Canon are as good if not better at some things that the Nikon isn't and vice versa.

I own a Canon HF100 HD-Camcorder and I love it. The two best of the best are Canon and Nikon by miles.

if the cost of Lenses are a problem use Sigma lenses they are excellent quality and a fraction of the price of a branded lens.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:42, archived)
# you can use the older pentax lenses and quite often get better results
than using cheap lenses on film cameras, When shooting on film you use the entire image circle and can have issues with definition and fringing in the corners, as you use crop sensors with the pentax kit it cuts out the corners and only uses the centre of the lens.

As far as I am aware there is no PK mount lens that cannot be used on the current crop of kit.

As always, with cameras this is always going to come down to personal choice. :-)
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:47, archived)
# Yes I have discovered an awesome amount of brand loyalty in this field!
My main advisor is a dyed in the wool Pentax man who has converted to digital relatively recently. My bro is a Canon fan.

It may yet come down to the fact that the Pentax is available with a white body which looks absolutely mint!
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:52, archived)
# The white ones do look good but bear in mind the amount of lenses
That AREN'T available in white :-)
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:40, archived)
# ^this
also, the image stabilisation features of newer lenses help a great deal when shooting freehand
(I helped save b3ta! pzyko Query failed., Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:54, archived)
# Actually the image stabilisation kit on the Pentax is meant to be the bees knees - that and the higher ISO range are 2 of the things that are drawing me to it...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:56, archived)
# I got my Dad a dSLR for his sixtieth...
... I think it was a canon, but can't remember. I'll gaz you the details and his feedback.

I got given a Pentax SLR for my 18th, and decided to upgrade to dSLR when it dies. And it turns out to be utterly indestructible: 15 years on, it's still going strong, with its 35mm film and its manual wind. So if the durability of that is anything to go by, the Pentax ought to be pretty good.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:42, archived)
# I think the Pentax has nice weather-proofing on it's DSLR bodies
My Nikon D70 is pretty dated now being only 6 megapixels but it's got great build quality.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:48, archived)
# I'd always go for the Canon
for futher reviews of cameras and lenses I recommend visiting www.dpreview.com
(I helped save b3ta! pzyko Query failed., Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:32, archived)
# Cheers
I have a lovely Canon compact, but can't seem to swing myself away from a long-held belief that Pentax are a bit of a benchmark for SLR quality.

In a Dannii/Kylie type scenario, I'd probably give the Canon a whirl, but I'd forever be thinking of the Pentax...

Also, the K-X isn't on that site...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:39, archived)
# Pentax made damn fine Film SLRs but so-so Digital ones
the bench-mark really are Canon and Nikon because they compete so hard against each other.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:46, archived)
# This site is also good (and great for photo galleries)
www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php
(I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:39, archived)
# Having worked with both companies I'd say both are as good as one another.
Even the cameras termed "entry level" these days are well in advance of kit I paid obscene amounts for juts two years ago.

Pentax has some amzing lenses and you will be able to use ANY Pk mount lens, meaning you can pick up some really good fast prime lenses for dirt cheap second hand, the prices of their current kit took a massive jump in recent times though so swings and roundabouts.

Canon kit is fine but I've always found it a bit overpriced when compared to other peoples kit.

just out of interest why have you not gone for the Olympus stuff? The 520 and 450 are some of the best "entry" cameras I've ever used, if you don;t need monster size image files then they will get stunning results.
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:43, archived)
# tbh from my limited research to date, Olympus hasn't even been a blip on the radar.
I will have a look at those models forthwith.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:47, archived)
# I would, the guys down at Olympus have excellent customer service aswell.
Whereabouts are you based? The single best piece of advice I can give is to go to an INDIE shop (never touch Jessops) and have a chat with them in there.

Most cameras these days will give you excellent results for personal usage and its only when you start getting into using the kit for jobbing work that you need to specialise.

As a result, most of the decision comes down to which one feels right in the hands, If a camera doesn't feel right it becomes a chore to use and you will find yourself not using it as much, if it feels right then you will take it everywhere with you and end up on a very slippery slope which can lead to getting up far far too early on a Sunday to drive 100 miles to take photos of something bizzare!

Hope that helps!
:-)
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:52, archived)
# I'm in Manchester, and there's the fantastic London Camera Exchange right in Piccadilly Gardens.
I must have walked past it every day for the best part of a decade without knowing it was there, but I got some pretty decent advice from the guy there - the Pentax wasn't actually in stock so he is going to call me when it's in and I'll go down and have a play with a bunch of stuff.

Whatever the outcome I really hope he can do me something competitive on price - I'd hate to have to screw him and buy it online - decent customer service is such a rare commodity these days.
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:55, archived)
# Like you say there is a lot of brand loyalty
at the end of the day we are splitting hairs here - whichever you buy it will be fantastic. At first I thought Digital was a fad that could never beat film photography but I was proven wrong. Don't forget also to check out the latest Sony DSLRs price wise they are amazing value for money.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:59, archived)
# Exaclty this ^^^^^^
As i said somewhere else in this mess of relpies and me going on more than people probably asked for, even a basic camera these days will have higher spec than things we paid crazy money for even two years ago.


Also as much as I hate recomending Sony, the cameras aren't bad............
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:24, archived)
# Just be honest with them, we always helped people who were honest.
At the end of the day buying a camera is not like buying any other piece of electronics, You don;t just set it up and let it run, The knowledge you get from camera shop staff is often underated (again, avoid Jessops)

If someone bought from us we always helped them out afterwards, Aftercare is life to an indie shop and we sure as hell didnlt work there for the money (though the second hand kit was nice!) you sound like the kind of guy who would anyway but if the price difference is only 20 odd quid then buy from a store!!!!! We used to have people on college courses who came back to us and would spend half hour just asking how to do their current assingment without buying at the time, we were happy to do that as regulars are the lifeblood of photography and something that is somewhat lacking from a lot of shops today.

LCE are good lads overall and I would trust them.
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:22, archived)
# Yeah if they can even come close I'd rather give the money to them.
I appreciate that they probably won't be able to compete on price against the camera itself (it's £50 cheaper on Pixmania!), but if they can do a deal with a carry bag and a memory card or something, maybe some cheap extended warranty, then I'd as soon deal with them. Customer service is so outmoded these days that I feel a duty to reward it where I find it.

And I was straight with him about the likelihood of going back and buying it online...
(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:30, archived)
# Pixmania is an import site IIRC, worth watching that.
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:41, archived)
# Olympus use the 4/5th system
and they are far more costly to produce simply because they require far more precision in the lens elements than the other systems.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:51, archived)
# so is that why they are the some of the cheapest bodies on the market?
:-)
(I helped save b3ta! Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:15, archived)
# As an owner of several Canon compacts, and three Canon DSLRs, I don't think I'm the one to answer this.
but I'd go for Canon ;)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 15:01, archived)
# Paula Radcliffe has really let herself go.
Woo!
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 3 Dec 2009, 14:34, archived)