Referendums are a fucking joke
We vote in politicians precisely so we don't have to have them. What's the point of a government if we're just going to decide (poorly) ourselves?
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:26, Share, Reply)
We vote in politicians precisely so we don't have to have them. What's the point of a government if we're just going to decide (poorly) ourselves?
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:26, Share, Reply)
If my doctor said
you've got cancer, that's not good, I can treat you one of 2 ways, both have drawbacks and benefits....
But i'm not going to talk you through it, instead i'm going to have vested interests sell each treatment to you whilst simultaneously lying about the other treatment
I think i'd rather just die.
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:29, Share, Reply)
you've got cancer, that's not good, I can treat you one of 2 ways, both have drawbacks and benefits....
But i'm not going to talk you through it, instead i'm going to have vested interests sell each treatment to you whilst simultaneously lying about the other treatment
I think i'd rather just die.
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:29, Share, Reply)
Yes mate.
Because the politicians are super clever experts who are so superior to us plebs. Politicians never collectively make a stupid decision. That invasion of Iraq was really really good. If we'd had a referendum on that the wonderful thing might not have happened.
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 12:23, Share, Reply)
Because the politicians are super clever experts who are so superior to us plebs. Politicians never collectively make a stupid decision. That invasion of Iraq was really really good. If we'd had a referendum on that the wonderful thing might not have happened.
( , Sat 11 Jun 2016, 12:23, Share, Reply)
Actually
Polls at the time of the invasion showed the majority of the UK population was in favour of invading Iraq. It's only after the invasion did the public change their minds.
Similarly, the last big referendum was on adopting the alternate vote. Despite being a vastly superior way to conduct elections, the public were easily swayed to vote against it by the press. And then our election in 2015 saw the conservatives get in with only just over a third of the voters support. Interesting lessons there.
( , Sun 12 Jun 2016, 0:07, Share, Reply)
Polls at the time of the invasion showed the majority of the UK population was in favour of invading Iraq. It's only after the invasion did the public change their minds.
Similarly, the last big referendum was on adopting the alternate vote. Despite being a vastly superior way to conduct elections, the public were easily swayed to vote against it by the press. And then our election in 2015 saw the conservatives get in with only just over a third of the voters support. Interesting lessons there.
( , Sun 12 Jun 2016, 0:07, Share, Reply)
we were in favour, and would've voted to invade
because evidence shown to us, or made available to us, was untrue, falsified, incorrect or made up.
Sure, 'after the event' everyone says we shouldnt've gone to war but because of lies told we would have agreed to the invasion. Thats why Blair needs to be held to account over the whole thing.
( , Sun 12 Jun 2016, 1:38, Share, Reply)
because evidence shown to us, or made available to us, was untrue, falsified, incorrect or made up.
Sure, 'after the event' everyone says we shouldnt've gone to war but because of lies told we would have agreed to the invasion. Thats why Blair needs to be held to account over the whole thing.
( , Sun 12 Jun 2016, 1:38, Share, Reply)