the fuck-ups are coming so thick and fast now it's difficult to scoff at them all in real time
(, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 11:43, Reply)
You're calling a democratic vote in parliament by representatives of the populous a fuck up?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 11:59,
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Are you suggesting that being elected bestows infallibility?
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TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:02,
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in his head he's managed to conflate patriotism and bovine acquiescence
So any criticism of a decision is by extension an attack on the UK
(, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:11, Reply)
I'm saying that democratic votes by elected representatives is the fairest option.
Don't like how your representative votes? Get rid of them.
Although some would prefer a system of benevolent dictatorship.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:20,
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Only fairest in the current system, like having the nicest torturer
A system of proportional representation would be much fairer, especially if the law was changed to make your MP actually represent the public's views in parliament instead of just having to go to parliament with literally no further obligation.
Our local MP told us that she took an oath to represent us in parliament, literally she just has to be the person who represents us, she does not have to listen to our views or promote them in parliament in any way at all.
So the vote of our `representatives` in parliament has literally no connection to the concept of having our views as the public represented.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 13:18,
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Yes. They are fucking incompetent authoritarian assholes. You seem to confuse democracy with omniscience
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:08,
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All of them?
You have to wonder why they chose that career then. Certainly better paid professions to go into.
So what would you replace the system of parliamentary democracy with?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:22,
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I'd replace it with me.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:26,
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I've got no problem with the system in principle:
a) MPs are hugely underpaid. How do you attract anyone that is competent at anything for that salary (£75k)?
b) The party system forces people to toe the party line (unsurprisingly) so in order to be in power, you have to sacrifice a significant part of your identity to a machine that doesn't have the populations best interests at heart. The people who end up in significant positions in either Lab/Con are the best at fitting in with the party interests of the day
c) A huge number of the UK population are religious idiots when it comes to politics - Quite simply it doesn't matter the policies, the personalities or competence of "your" parties candidate, you'll vote for them to stop "the other one" getting in and you end up with unaccountably shite people in place that can't do their job
d) A good number of politicians have never had a "real" job, so literally can't relate to anything they are supposed to be making valid judgement calls on.
e) There's a significant number that don't go into politics to make things better, they go into it to get power, plain and simple.
Both main parties are populated with self-serving, delusional fucks and I don't see any incentive for the parties to change that in the short-term. So we're going to continue to lurch between crises and recessions for the forseeable future.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:36,
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I'd really like to see a party that only selected candidates that are state school educated, send their kids to state schools and have no private medical insurance.
MPs should be customers of the services they are custodians of.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:39,
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So those people that go to public school shouldn't have representation? What if they get in with a government assisted grant because they perform well at entrance exams? Wouldn't it be better to address the education system that means public schools continue to thrive, rather than introducing electoral segregation?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:47,
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Nah, fuck em.
Public school chinless wonders are already over represented in anywhere of merit.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 12:56,
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Proportional representation
so they should be about 0.1% of the members, being about 6 of them instead of 400 like it is now...
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 13:24,
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6.5% Actually....18% if you count over 16's
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 13:34,
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There seems to be a myth that public schools aren't absolutely bloody everywhere, when they are, due to the shite state of well, the state.
Its also worth noting that 20 serving MPs are from Eton, not from public schools in general. What percentage of the population went to fucking Eton? You want to point at over-representation look there first.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 13:40,
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State schools would improve pretty damn quick if MPs had to send their kids to them.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 14:01,
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That's naive, the state run Grammar schools would simply improve further. Little Tarquin isn't going to be going to an inner city comprehensive.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 14:40,
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Which would be terrible for kids that have talent but can't get a grammar school place because it's filled with wealthy parents sprogs
Well in favour of grammars so long is it's combined with free extra tuition to those kids that show talent so they can be taken out of the playground meat grinder.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 14:51,
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Only if Tarquin passes the entrance exam.
The thick rich kids will be snookered.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 14:59,
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They'll just have to become US president or Foreign Secretary like other thick rich kids.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 15:20,
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They should just accept the fact that
there aren't enough good teachers or clever children to go round.
So rather than every state school being terrible, and the few potential geniuses we have languishing somewhere that doesn't challenge them, we make more grammar schools.
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We could pay teachers the same as doctors or lawyers and make teaching something other than a altruistic vocation?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 15:22,
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How little do you think teachers get paid compared to doctors?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 15:41,
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The current average starting salary for a teacher is just over £19,000, after 10 years service, this reaches approximately £29,000. That's frankly disgusting. A top of their profession a Head Teacher can earn just over £100k ...and then they are stuck, there is no progression possible past that... except perhaps university chancellors, who are never actually teachers.
Starting salary for a junior doctor is £23,000 rising to £30,000 in four years. However the average salary for GPs is between 60,000 and 100,000 depending on location with specialists running to millions and millions.
Given the entry level for a fucking web designer out of uni is £23,000, why would anyone opt for the shit-show that is teaching? the crappy hours, the institutionalized staff and worst of all the kids. Ugh.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:00,
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It's beyond me.
Teachers, nurses, policemen... all are getting priced out of home ownership in many areas when they face long hours of shite. Seems completely out of kilter with the jobs they do and their responsibilities.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:10,
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They do not generate money directly
Unfortunately that is generally how the worth of the individual to the capitalist system is judged
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:27,
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Could always do something about the rapid rise in house prices.
Hell I bought my house 6 years ago and it's gone up in value by 71% for doing fuck all. And that's in Bedfordsire.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:28,
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Oh absolutely, there is a cost of living crisis fo shizzle in the country.
Seems so odd that growing up in the 80's that families could afford a 3 bed semi in a leafy suburb on one person's wages plus one holiday a year without working themselves to death.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 17:36,
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There's probably lots of factors but one of them is people starting seeing property as an investment.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 17:45,
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I ask because I was mildly surprised having looked it up.
Where are you getting your numbers for teacher pay from?
NASUWT Teachers pay scale (Not including London)
Yes you can earn more if you become a Specialist or G.P.
Consultants do very well and a G.P gets around the same as a head teacher.
www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors
Also Doctors have to make life and death decisions under great stress.
Teachers have to stop little Jimmy from eating glue and make sure he knows his times table up to 10 x 10.
Now if you were to say Nurses pay then I would agree totally with you.
That needs to increased.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:26,
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I think you may be confusing a nursery school assistant with a teacher...or education has changed from my day.
Primary school is a slightly different kettle of fish, but I'm looking at the secondary school/college figures ..They are from 2014 though, so if they've gone up a bit since then, super!
However would I rather make a life and death call on someone than teach a room of 35+ uninterested borderline feral inner city teenagers who don't want to be there?? I know which would be way way more stressful for me. At least when you're at school you can get away with punching another student for being a dick, teachers are impossible saints.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 21 Nov 2017, 16:33,
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