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This is a link post Animal Sentience again.
On the face of it looks like an example of what can be made better outside of the eu.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 12:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't see what the EU has to do with it.
Parliament can, and does, set more demanding standards than required by the EU.
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This is a normal post Maybe, so long as it didn't interfere with the 4 freedoms.
This could pave the way to a ban on live exports which is not possible under eu law.

But my admittedly clumsy point was that rather than blindly incorporate eu law we can give it a bit of a polish.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 12:26, Reply)
This is a normal post except we cant because divergence would mean the Good Friday Agreement would collapse
So we'll just have to suck up all the EU regs but now we'll have no say at all in crafting them

Takin' back control
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 12:43, Reply)
This is a normal post All of them really? Hows that then?
[edit] Oh you mean that bit of bollocks may had to come up with as a face saver to the eu? Who realised using N.I as a bargaining chip is a bloody silly thing to do and we can only work out the final solution of the border when we know what the trading situation is.

It's not legally binding and only applies if the UK and Ireland can't agree a deal on how to handle the border.

I know you and yours have suddenly clutched onto this little nugget as a hope we're all going to stay BFF with the eu. But it's not going to happen.

It's all going to be ok so long as nobody panics and decides to make it legally binding and hold up trade talks until it is.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Actually, they can't.
Any EU member that wants to enact legislature that might impede inter-EU trade must first get permission from the EU to do so.
If, for example, Britain would want to ban the sale of certain pesticides that are legal to use elsewhere in the EU, any EU member that manufactures it could veto it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:19, Reply)
This is a normal post What do pesticides have to do with how nicely you treat animals?

(dyllon nice beaver., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 22:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Ask a bee.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 13 Dec 2017, 6:45, Reply)
This is a normal post I like this.

(I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 12:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Theoretically yes.
If we can get past the hypocrisy 'I love animals and like cheap meat' etc.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:09, Reply)
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"We are a nation of animal l-ooh, look, that chicken is only £2.99!!"
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Bit different if they had to kill it themselves.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post
Depends, would it be even cheaper? *readies cleaver*
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post You have to catch the little buggers first.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:38, Reply)
This is a normal post They dont call him Teh Daggenham chicken chocker for nothing,you know

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 16:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah the ol you wouldn't eat meat if you had to kill the animal itself.
We managed it perfectly happily in the past.

I give it 2 weeks before meat eaters give up on a veggie diet and google "how to wring a chickens neck".

Beef is different, those buggers are strong.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 13:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, that's ok because people in the past did it.
An amusingly bankrupt argument, often used by religious extremists.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post I've offed, prepared and eaten a few bunnies and chickens.
It's not that bad.

Worst bit is having to push the poos out of their arse from the inside out as you gut them.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post As a rural cat owner
I've seen a lifetimes worth of slowly dying rodents.
The tiny bunnies scream the place down.

I suppose it comes down to individual capacity for empathy v societal pressures.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:44, Reply)
This is a normal post As a rural cat owner myself I am lucky one cat is too lazy to hunt and the other eats his kill and doesn't toy with it.
If your cat was to bring an animal in obviously in pain but past saving what would you do?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Usually I don't have to kill them.
An axe or hammer can be required on occasion.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not sure it does come down to empathy.
Killing an animal for food doesn't make you some kind of emotionally stunted psychopath. I think some humans are trying to moralise themselves to the point they convinced themselves they are no longer part of the animal kingdom.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Many peoples who actually hunt for food respected the natural world.
Conversely, modern humans have indeed seen themselves as above the other animals, allowing greater and greater industrialisation of farming.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:48, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm reading "A History of Ancient Britain" by Neil Oliver at the moment. It's well worth a read.
The bit where humans transition from the Mesolithic to the neolithic in Europe is fascinating. Some archaeologists think that farming spread east from persia very slowly across the world and headed west, as populations grew hunting become unsustainable and populations had to farm to support the number of mouths to feed and there was a lot of competition over land from the traditional hunters' territories getting pushed back by the bloomin forrins coming over from the continent with their new fangled ways.

The surprising bit is though that diets and health actually worsened in the short term because the farmed diet was a lot less varied.

I think we're seeing the inevitable consequence of population growth that the carbon footprint associated with modern meat farming isn't sustainable.

Eventually we'll conclude too late that there are just too many people on the planet.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 16:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Many people have concluded that already ages ago.
I mean, it's simply obvious. Sure it can be shown with complicated science and mathematical projections, but really you just have to meet a few ordinary people and it should occur to you.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 19:29, Reply)
This is a normal post THis is the sad history of the middle east
conflict between nomadic herdsmen and settled farmers. It really does go back that far.
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This is a normal post Intelligence takes little part in reproduction.
The rest I blame on 'marketing'.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 21:53, Reply)
This is a normal post It's a very western viewpoint that the slaughter of animals for food is something to be squeamish about.
The rest of the world just accepts it as part of life if you're going to eat meat.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Many millions of Hindu and Buddhist people might disagree.
Mass consumption of large quantities of meat is largely a recent western phenomena.

Consumption of meat by people who have few options isn't really the problem.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Many billions of Chinese people would.
Also since you brought religion into it...

The rest of the world just accepts it as part of life if you're going to eat meat.

Your original point was that people wouldn't eat meat if they had to participate in the slaughter.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Comparing populations isn't much use really.
See also FGM, child brides, witchcraft, Trump, ethnic cleansing etc.

People HERE would eat less meat.

Anyway, this is way too serious for B3ta.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Personally I'd rather an "expert" kill it for me
Would be more humane than me trying to mash a chickens head in with a brick.
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This is a normal post Mmmmm
Chicken mash
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 21:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Isn't that what 'nuggets' are?

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 12 Dec 2017, 22:42, Reply)
This is a normal post This is just a slippery slope to passing into legislation that animals can give consent so Cameron can fuck more pigs.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 12 Dec 2017, 14:09, Reply)