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And it's not really surprising where it came from.
The Overton Window has shifted a long way.
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"Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country"
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(And Tories too, just look at Jacob Rees-Mogg)
Well, he’s got The Asshole of the Day award anyway.
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Is putting money above society.
And not all the people I disagree with are evil, some of them are just argumentative pillocks.
(And why on Earth are you defending a Randist idiot?)
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ad hominens must be next until we achieve godwins law
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I didn’t open this, I was responding to something posted that I thought was disgusting, others may disagree, but that’s why it provoked the response it did. If people want me to change/clarify my comment to “Self-declared Republicans and Tories in positions of power and influence, almost always seem to be money grabbing arseholes” then fair enough.
It also doesn’t mean Self-declared Democrats/Labour/Liberals etc, can’t be money grabbing arseholes as well.
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* person makes claim that republicans like money more than people
* instead of addressing claim, you reformulate his claim by extending both the scope of his subject from "republicans" to "all people who disagree with you", and from a specific clause "like money more than people" to a purposefully exagerated one "are evil"
-this is pretty textbook strawman, prufrock, and I'm afraid I've applied it accurately (def: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument or oversimplifying and/ore exaggerating (sometimes grossly exaggerating) an opponent's argument. It's an informal fallacy, so the definitions vary somewhat, but you get the general idea. Nevertheless your example does matchup quite neatly)
I'm always happy to educate people, particularly one as frequently pedantic about language as yourself. Though you are quite correct that it is a term that's more often than not misapplied or misunderstood, including by you in your own case, it seems. So much so that I avoid it, associating it these days with poor argument through misuse, preferring to reply as I see fit rather than posit a label as counterargument. I only use it this instance as it fitted my joke, which was to encapsulate your typical internet argument progression with far greater brevity than this reply
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It's like an army of dickwads have suddenly become vaguely acquainted with labels for argumentative fallacies and think any usage lends their argument some sort of fucking intellectual gravitas totally inevident in their discourse. So I'm with you there, man
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I'll give you that extending the republicans to all people disagreed with counts.
But it's not a necessarily a strawman to take loving money more than people and converting it to evil, if that was a clearly intended implication in the original comment.
It would be churlish to try to argue that Chinchilla doesn't think that loving money more than people is evil.
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The resonance of Timothy 6 10 is as clear as a bell even in a post Christian society.
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that he doesn't think it's evil. How generous of me.
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youtu.be/UOsYN---eGk
This is /Links after all.
(Beyond The Fringe, Alan Bennett as a vicar talking absolute rubbish)
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you think it follows from "republicans like money more than people" which is a comparative proposition and a humanist one at that, it follows that because there is a christian proverb associating money with evil, his point was some sort of christian motivated criticism? And we are supposed to immediately understand this was context you meant from "all people who disagree with you are evil"? Pretty tortuous inference. It's still very strawmanny, prufrock, even if your intention was to recharacterise his argument as a religious values criticism, that's definitely not evident from his claim. I mean, I could remind you again of the definitions but if you haven't grasped them by now it seems a little pointless. Still, "The resonance of Timothy 6 10 is as clear as a bell even in a post Christian society" wins you pseuds corner for the day. classic
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Do you even know what pseud means or is it a term like strawman you indiscriminately chuck around when desperately trying to tread water?
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Ok, Prufock, posting "The resonance of Timothy 6 10 is as clear as a bell even in a post Christian society" in a b3ta thread about republicans is in no way some pretentious quasi-intellectual tosh worthy of pseuds corner. you got me bang to rights. fair play. How clever you are, etc.
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I’m a terrible dancer, and haven’t organised the gassing or lynching of a single Jew, so he was much better than me at those tasks, but then I also have no aspirations to be successful at either of them anyway.
I think I’m probably a better Tetris player than he would have been. Also probably better than him at getting things off the top shelf of places, since he was comparatively short.
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maybe they think, well 1% death rate is acceptable, and its mostly the elderly and immunocompromised
But if you let the virus spread uncontrolbly all at once, you get much higher death rates. that death rate counts the people who survive given icu beds and ventilators. with a full blown virus spread, the death rate is much higher among people who receive no treatment, and much higher in the general population because the hospitals are overwhelmed and they can't get normal medical help, such as early cancer surgery. Can't see that as being as palatable, even if you create some deathcamps for people with lung infections to keep them away from the hospitals
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That's dangerous - you don't know where God's hands have been.
Yes, old age is a huge burden on the economy and the threat to American overconsumption is no laughing matter
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