Wisconsin police shoot unarmed black dude
Graphic shooting.
Happened yesterday, 23rd. Witnesses say the man was breaking up a fight between two girls, and was shot when going to his car to get his children.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 12:42, Reply)
Would you normally approach the driver's side to retrieve your children?
He also appears to be carrying a knife. Considering US Law Enforcement's reputation for being a little on the trigger happy side, perhaps he should have dropped the knife and stopped moving when the Officers told him to? He seemed to have plenty of warning.
He also appears to reach down to grab something from the door cubby/floor of the driver's side just before he's shot. But never mind that, eh? He's clearly an innocent angel who would never dream of keeping a gun in his car.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 12:58, Reply)
There's always a good reason for shooting people who are black, isn't there?
You're sick in the head, Mistah Privatez.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 13:54,
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No.
But there seems to be a reasonable amount of justification for shooting this particular fuckwit.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:05, Reply)
There is no justification for shooting a father in front of his children at point blank range 7 times in the back .
Not even the mafia would be so sick.
Soz. Got a bit snowflakey there.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:10,
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So, if he was reaching for a firearm, the police shouldn't shoot him because children are watching?
Once in the back of the head would have been sufficient. But his back is far easier to hit, and seven shots should be plenty to ensure he doesn't continue to reach for his weapon and proceed to discharge it into one of the Officers/children.
But God forbid the police shoot a known felon with previous convictions for concealing weapons in his car, after repeatedly telling said fuckwit to stop moving to the vehicle, right?
This is nothing but another excuse for a bunch of fucking morons to riot.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:14, Reply)
Should the police shoot people at point blank range 7 times in the back at all?
Should armed police turn up to a domestic dispute and start threatening to kill people?
Soz for being a cunt about it.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:23,
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All police in the USA (as far as I know) are armed.
Should police turn up to a domestic dispute? Yes. Particularly if it has spilled out onto the street and somebody with a history of violent domestic disputes (this dude) happens to be there.
Should they threaten to shoot somebody if they don't comply with their instructions? Yes.
The fuck should I have empathy with this cunt for? If an armed Officer tells me to stop moving, I'm going to stop fucking moving.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:38, Reply)
It'd be funny if you got Parkinsons and were shot for not freezing because of it.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:42, Reply)
If someone is brandishing a gun and pointing it at people and in assessing the situation, the police think that they're going to shoot....then deadly force is fair game.
From that video, it doesn't look like the situation has escalated to the stage that shoot to kill is justified. Difficult to tell as we can't see what's in the car.
I would like to think that police don't kill people unnecessarily, but since watching one kneel on an unarmed man's neck until he died a few weeks ago, I'm less certain.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 14:47, Reply)
If it turns out he was reaching for a weapon, would you say the use of force was justified, though?
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 15:07, Reply)
he'd barely got the door open before the copper was blazing away,
Is getting into your car after being told to stop grounds for execution?
You're right that there might be circumstances we don't know about that happened before the video started, maybe he was threatening to get his gun and shoot the other woman. But on the face of this vid alone it seems disproportionate. Cars are left hand drive in the states, so he wasnt going for the glove compartment at least. Maybe he was planing to drive off?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 15:57,
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If you look at the link I posted further up
He's previously been convicted of concealing firearms behind/under the driver's seat of his car.
In the video Sock posted, just before the Police Officer fires, you can see Mr Blake suddenly reach for something at floor level. It's quick, but there's definitely a direct movement made.
Is it completely beyond possibility that he was reaching for a weapon? Or that the Officer had reasonable suspicion to believe he was?
If an Officer draws his weapon and tells you to keep your hands raised, you wouldn't suddenly reach into your pocket, would you? Because you might get shot. I don't see how this is any different. He was repeatedly told to stop moving. He wasn't shot until he reached for something in his vehicle. If you were going to keep a concealed weapon handy in your car, you'd probably keep it somewhere within easy reach of the driver's seat. Like the door cubby.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:04, Reply)
if you look at the video his body only lowered down after he was shot, probably as his shattered spine were stopping sending nerve impulses to his back muscles
Shooting someone in the back who might or might not be attempting to locate a weapon seems a pretty low threshold for executing them, even if they are ignoring your orders. I don't know about prior convictions, didn't see a mention of them on any news articles or the police statements they gave after. Sure it's not just some claim you read on social media? From witnesses it sounds like he was trying to break up a domestic fight with his family all there, so it seems unlikely he was planning to start shooting at police
{edit} so he has some pending charges for domestic, but no weapons charges
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:16,
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racinecountyeye.com/police-k9-dozer-helps-subdue-man-who-pulled-gun-at-bar/?fbclid=IwAR2sJUHqIAUaZqEvzW_Anfx24M_QzhEpYEQafEsub3iUaYhhikVidND8fTg
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:25, Reply)
well, this does add to the threat, I concede.
I did put the caveat that my reading was on the video alone, you seem to be quite well informed on the background, and they are good sources
I guess they'll find out in the enquiry, if he didn't end up having a gun in the car they'll be in hot water
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:35,
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That's a big "if" there my friend
In fact, he was unarmed and didn't own any guns or weapons : abcn.ws/3gk0xYM
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:05, Reply)
Of course he doesn't legally own any weapons.
He's a convicted felon. That doesn't mean he wasn't in possession of one, though.
He's also facing numerous Domestic Abuse charges. Which explains why the Fiancé was so quick to jump to his defence. Google Trauma Bonding, if you're not familiar with the phenomenon.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:11, Reply)
So shoot all convicted felons, is that it ?
"Convicted felon" doesn't mean he WAS in possession of a weapon either...
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:27, Reply)
No, but if he was reaching for one, or appeared to be reaching for one after being told repeatedly to stop moving
I reckon the Officers are within their rights to neutralise the threat however they see fit. They had already deployed a taser that had failed, how else should they have resolved the situation? Ask him nicely one more time to stop reaching into his vehicle? Say please?
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:33, Reply)
7 shots at point blank range with his back turned.
Why have you been investigating the shady past of the victim rather than the shady past of the inept/monstrous person who tried to kill him?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 17:43,
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get a room you two
stop dancing around the fire, spit it out and get down to the nitty gritty
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 17:52,
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Re: gun or no gun
This vid is interesting
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:39, Reply)
is there where you think police murdering somebody is justified if you can establish they're not a nice person
I think you need more than suspicion they MIGHT be opening their car door with the intention of locating a weapon before you shoot them seven timed in the back . I think you need a reasonable imminent threat. They hadn't been called to robbery, there was two unarmed women fighting in a domestic dispute, not the kind of thing you'd be expecting a shootout.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:31,
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Your Honor, the accussed is not nice.
Ok, i've heard enough, to the gallows with him.
(, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 21:19, Reply)
Thanks
I was beginning to think nobody here had my level of common sense of reality in a dangerous situation. I guess there are two of us here.
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id10ts WTF happened, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 15:50,
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Three
US cops aren't Bruce Willis. They're poorly trained, and shit scared, probably have a family at home and have to make life-or-death insta-decisions. If you're resisting and prancing around reaching for things, you're going to get fucking shot.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Mon 24 Aug 2020, 18:18,
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I haven't spent any time in deprived areas of the States. Certainly no more than you've spent in deprived areas of the UK.
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After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Mon 24 Aug 2020, 18:56,
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I preferred the cops in Brazil, who don't discriminate on anyone for the skin colour as long as you're prepared to pay their bribe
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 6:15,
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Well I picked the wrong day to come back, didn't I?
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 20:13,
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Nowadays, it wouldn’t matter much which day you picked.
But welcome back.
Also: you’re on fire.
(, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 20:30, Reply)
was it the jaywalking?
I got pulled over in louisiana once, thought I might have been speeding. I got out of the van and the cop pulled a gun on me and yelled at me to put my hands on the bonnet. Freaked me out a bit, not really the sort of thing that happens in England or Australia. They do seem quite trigger happy.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 15:48,
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Why
would you exit the vehicle without being ordered to?
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id10ts WTF happened, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 15:51,
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I was used to living in a country where they don't shoot you
and you can get out and have a conversation and try and weasel out of the fine, as I'd done quite a few times before in Australia (though having said that Australia's become more like the US recently, and I think they now want you to stay in your car). I also had a lot of drugs in the van so I wasn't keen on them coming over
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 16:02,
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I did the same
thinking it was the polite thing to do. I only had two cops pointing their handguns at me. Disclosure: I look like the casting for the part of a flower child.
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tromboner cherophobia is my kind of fun, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 23:05,
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Seven times?
At a range of 1 to 2 feet?
Seven times?
There's no excuse for this. What so ever.
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2Pints , at the third stroke, it will be, Mon 24 Aug 2020, 23:24,
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"Did I fire six shots or did I fire seven. in all the excitement, I clean forgot"
"Now the question to ask yourself is: "do I feel lucky?".
Well do you, punk? ...punk? Aww crap. Jerry, get the plant, I'll put his fingerprints on it"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 6:24,
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How many shots do you feel is sufficient to ensure the assailant stops reaching for a weapon and is no longer a threat?
One? Three?
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 7:16, Reply)
getting shot in the back once might give you pause for thought
having a hole ripped through your lungs, turning them into a gurgling blood frothy mess gasping for life tends to make most people lose track over what they were looking for, but I guess he really needed to have his spleen, duodenum and liver burst and his spinal cord severed to really reconsider having a fossick around
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 7:30,
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So once would have been sufficient in this case to remove any threat of the bloke grabbing a gun and turning it on his children or the Officer?
www.ajc.com/news/national/here-why-police-don-shoot-wound-the-case-deadly-force/IV4ohtIm6r8FaEMj78u1bO/
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 9:03, Reply)
"turning it on his children or the Officer"
so you admit you have no idea of his intentions. that they could have been anything including "go sit in his car for a bit and listen to Sepultura because of all these crazy women doing his head in"
And " ensure the assailant stops reaching for a weapon" is a much nicer way of saying the "making sure the man getting into his car is totally fubared"
The link you gave, while it might be protocol for US cops, describes examples where the officers are actually being threatened with weapons, not "maybe he's going fish one out of his car so I better execute him just in case"
Again, you seem to know more details. if he actually said he was getting a gun, then that's a fair justification. That he actually had some weapons charges, I think it puts it into the debatable pending enquiry category on whether it was justified. But the fact it's getting looked at all is because of both being on film and the BLM protests. ones with far less justification almost never resulted in even a caution before this. It took a week of protest to change their mind and investigate the Floyd killing, one that ended up with adverse findings against the officers involved when looked at by an independent coroner.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 10:46,
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Bullshit that this was in anyway justified.
Any way you turn it, you don't execute people because they "might".
The officer's gun is aimed, safety off, bullet in chamber, slack out of trigger - instead of panicking and shouting like a loon.
Then wait to see if he is getting his wallet or a Glock.
No way in fucking world that dude can get a gun out, chamber a round, remove safety, raise his arm, aim and fire before a trained person can get 2 or 3 well aimed shot to the centre of mass.
Even if that dude is a Navy Seal/Jacky Chan/Ninja he is done for.
This is real life, not movies or a video game.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 12:48, Reply)
So, if you were that Police Officer, how would you have handled things differently?
Assuming that the bloke was reaching for a weapon.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:01, Reply)
"ullo, ullo, ullo. what's all this then? Thinking of doing a bit of shooting, are we? Right. You're nicked"
"it's a fair cop, gov"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:13,
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Half arsed trained I would have.
Btw, I work with stuff that could kill me or my colleagues in an instant as fast as a Glock most everyday.
Watching out for your life and your mates all day everyday is tiring and frustrating - I get it.
I've worked in war zones too, I get it too.
Shooting out the 180 bar hydraulics or the 3000V supply would save my life and be quick.
But we don't, so we train, drill, watch out and do our job properly and debrief.
Doing worse than that cop is hardly possible, he killed a man through sheer incompetence.
Fuckwits like that should not have more responsibility than a damp cloth to clean tables, so the real pros can take orders and serve.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 21:47, Reply)
One day I really hope they sort their "armed-citizens" thing out.
If UK police had a credible risk of every nutter they arrested pulling a handgun on them they'd probably kill a lot more people too.
If they can ever persuade Americans to drop gun-ownership from their national identity, then maybe they could have a country instead of a fucking shooting gallery.
Nice infographic showing the extent of US gun laws state-by-state (from 2013)
www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jan/15/gun-laws-united-states
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