Perhaps if there weren't disproportionate numbers of black folk committing violent offences
There wouldn't be a disproportionate number of them getting shot.
Now, clearly the reason there is a disproportionate number of black violent offenders is because the institutional racism prevalent in the United States has left most black families with a continuing legacy significant social disadvantage. That's all very sad, boo hoo. But that's what happens. You get born into poverty and you're more likely to pursue life choices that land you on the wrong side of the law.
But the *vast* majority of individuals being shot by members of law enforcement are being shot because they're acting like fucking morons. It just so happens that the majority of those morons just happen to be black, because black people are more likely to find themselves in a situation where a gun gets drawn. It's just fucking statistics.
Clearly there is a massive issue with a lack of appropriate training of Police Officers in the United States. You're throwing kids who have just left school out onto the streets with guns, and I to neighbourhoods where the general consensus is 'Fuck the Police'. Of course they're going to get twitchy and there have been plenty of examples of black people being shot or otherwise assaulted by Police Officers because the Officer in question is a racist cunt. But almost every shooting that takes place occurs because the person getting shot has acted like a fucking fuckwit. Just like this guy.
Don't resist arrest. Don't fight with the guys trying to arrest you. Definitely don't pull a knife out. Don't start walking towards your vehicle when you're clearly being told to stop moving. Don't make sudden movements once your reach said vehicle.
This guy had plenty of opportunities to comply. Plenty more than the most circulated video shows. His getting shot is no doubt a product of his underprivileged upbringing and a social culture which basically reviles law enforcement in all its forms. But the officer didn't shoot him because of his unfortunate social circumstances. The officer shot him because he was deemed to be an imminent threat.
He wasn't shot saving an old lady from a tree for fucks sake.
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"His getting shot is no doubt a product of his underprivileged upbringing"
Cunt
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black people are more likely to find themselves in a situation where a gun gets drawn
This is because police are more likely to pull a gun on black men than white men in similar situations. I have provided citations to support this instead of a wall of opinion. I deliberately chose the first citation to be from Pnas, because that is funny.
For Black men, being tall increases threat stereotyping and police stops
www.pnas.org/content/115/11/2711
People See Black Men as Larger, More Threatening Than Same-Sized White Men
www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/03/black-men-threatening
ABSTRACT
This paper examines the disproportionate killings of Blacks in the United States of America by the police. I argue that the legal standards in the United States regulate the use of force by police officers, are tainted with bias and do not comply with international law. I further argue that that the grand jury process and prosecutors involved in prosecuting police officers who kill blacks are tainted with implicit bias. This results in impunity for these killings. I conclude with several recommendations on how to combat police brutality against blacks.
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13642987.2018.1495196?scroll=top&needAccess=true&
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:32,
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Sitting there at your keyboard knowing nothing but your own prejudices, farting out reams of baseless assertions in support of, what? Your right not to like certain people? Your duty to display your tragically limited understanding of the world?
I seriously wonder what you get out of this. I wish you’d shut up and go away, to be perfectly honest. I think you’re vile.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 0:33,
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Mr Penis is certainly racist,
not in a white supremacist kind of way, but in that run of the mill All lives matter, oblivious white privilege kind of way (not that I personally know him). But the amount of over the top outrage and name calling over posting his video over some cop giving his opinion shows intolerance of another kind. Mr Penis demostrated he was far better informed on this incident than others here, he had accurate sources, he was right about police protocols for multiple shots no matter how distasteful of unnecessary we might consider it. I was interested from my work with Uk police around the use of force, and he's been the only one to offer a cogent argument instead of simplistic abuse.
It true that there is disproportionate police stop and search and shootings towards african americans in the US, that's why so many of them are pissed off. Its a common experience for them. But it does not logically follow that every incident of lethal force against a black suspect is unjustified or unwarranted. I can't believe I'm defending Mr Penis, but there you go.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 13:14,
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I hear you, but for me it’s a big old steaming log of hate with some half-truths sprinkled on top, and that doesn’t make it any more appetizing, it’s still shit.
The enormous amount of energy this person has expended, attempting to show that this shooting was somehow completely justified and understandable, cannot be anything other than an indication that they are an apologist for the racist oppression of Black Americans. I doubt he even lives in America. And I assure you, as a 20-year immigrant, if you haven’t lived here for a while you honestly have no idea just how astonishingly racist America is.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 15:18,
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I don't doubt that you're right, but I think when you want to see change all the more reason to keep your attacks justifiable and proportionate, and make sure your targets are legitimate ones
I think one of the reason the MeToo movement ran out of steam, and you don't see #metoo hashtags anymore, was that was a growing sense that it had become unfair, when someone like azis ansari who made a girl uncomfortable on a date was treated with equal ferocity as someone accused of coercive rapes and had his career halted. If, in peoples rush to judgement, it turns out this guy did say to the cops "fuck you, I'm getting my gun" as was alleged, this over the top condemnation is only going to give ammunition to reactionary forces against it and move reasonable people who might have become allies to the movement to shun it. It still might not make any difference, but that's what I'd advise, and it's generally my advice about other things, especially with millenials. Dont be so quick to judgement and to condemn. Use moral relativity rather than absolutes if you are going to judge. I know it takes more thinking, but do it anyway. Instead of "im going to put this person in racist category" think "what were the specific failings here, what was their intent, how much harm did they do, was it a mistake I would never have made or am I being a fucking hypocrite because it feels good and superior to condemn people?"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 16:23,
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