A more rational perspective of the Jacob Blake shooting
from somebody with a significantly more experience on the subject than any of us.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:13, Reply)
Why is it that you always find a way...
...to not be on the side of the brown folk?
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:18, Reply)
He does live on a remote Scottish island. It's not impossible.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:37,
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Lately I have noticed that there are some people on the internet
who are most definitely not racist yet somehow still always seem to prefer any argument that supports the actions of the police when they disproportionately shoot unarmed black people in the back.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 17:16,
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Perhaps if there weren't disproportionate numbers of black folk committing violent offences
There wouldn't be a disproportionate number of them getting shot.
Now, clearly the reason there is a disproportionate number of black violent offenders is because the institutional racism prevalent in the United States has left most black families with a continuing legacy significant social disadvantage. That's all very sad, boo hoo. But that's what happens. You get born into poverty and you're more likely to pursue life choices that land you on the wrong side of the law.
But the *vast* majority of individuals being shot by members of law enforcement are being shot because they're acting like fucking morons. It just so happens that the majority of those morons just happen to be black, because black people are more likely to find themselves in a situation where a gun gets drawn. It's just fucking statistics.
Clearly there is a massive issue with a lack of appropriate training of Police Officers in the United States. You're throwing kids who have just left school out onto the streets with guns, and I to neighbourhoods where the general consensus is 'Fuck the Police'. Of course they're going to get twitchy and there have been plenty of examples of black people being shot or otherwise assaulted by Police Officers because the Officer in question is a racist cunt. But almost every shooting that takes place occurs because the person getting shot has acted like a fucking fuckwit. Just like this guy.
Don't resist arrest. Don't fight with the guys trying to arrest you. Definitely don't pull a knife out. Don't start walking towards your vehicle when you're clearly being told to stop moving. Don't make sudden movements once your reach said vehicle.
This guy had plenty of opportunities to comply. Plenty more than the most circulated video shows. His getting shot is no doubt a product of his underprivileged upbringing and a social culture which basically reviles law enforcement in all its forms. But the officer didn't shoot him because of his unfortunate social circumstances. The officer shot him because he was deemed to be an imminent threat.
He wasn't shot saving an old lady from a tree for fucks sake.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 18:15, Reply)
"His getting shot is no doubt a product of his underprivileged upbringing"
Cunt
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 18:30, Reply)
black people are more likely to find themselves in a situation where a gun gets drawn
This is because police are more likely to pull a gun on black men than white men in similar situations. I have provided citations to support this instead of a wall of opinion. I deliberately chose the first citation to be from Pnas, because that is funny.
For Black men, being tall increases threat stereotyping and police stops
www.pnas.org/content/115/11/2711
People See Black Men as Larger, More Threatening Than Same-Sized White Men
www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/03/black-men-threatening
ABSTRACT
This paper examines the disproportionate killings of Blacks in the United States of America by the police. I argue that the legal standards in the United States regulate the use of force by police officers, are tainted with bias and do not comply with international law. I further argue that that the grand jury process and prosecutors involved in prosecuting police officers who kill blacks are tainted with implicit bias. This results in impunity for these killings. I conclude with several recommendations on how to combat police brutality against blacks.
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13642987.2018.1495196?scroll=top&needAccess=true&
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:32,
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Sitting there at your keyboard knowing nothing but your own prejudices, farting out reams of baseless assertions in support of, what? Your right not to like certain people? Your duty to display your tragically limited understanding of the world?
I seriously wonder what you get out of this. I wish you’d shut up and go away, to be perfectly honest. I think you’re vile.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 0:33,
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Mr Penis is certainly racist,
not in a white supremacist kind of way, but in that run of the mill All lives matter, oblivious white privilege kind of way (not that I personally know him). But the amount of over the top outrage and name calling over posting his video over some cop giving his opinion shows intolerance of another kind. Mr Penis demostrated he was far better informed on this incident than others here, he had accurate sources, he was right about police protocols for multiple shots no matter how distasteful of unnecessary we might consider it. I was interested from my work with Uk police around the use of force, and he's been the only one to offer a cogent argument instead of simplistic abuse.
It true that there is disproportionate police stop and search and shootings towards african americans in the US, that's why so many of them are pissed off. Its a common experience for them. But it does not logically follow that every incident of lethal force against a black suspect is unjustified or unwarranted. I can't believe I'm defending Mr Penis, but there you go.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 13:14,
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I hear you, but for me it’s a big old steaming log of hate with some half-truths sprinkled on top, and that doesn’t make it any more appetizing, it’s still shit.
The enormous amount of energy this person has expended, attempting to show that this shooting was somehow completely justified and understandable, cannot be anything other than an indication that they are an apologist for the racist oppression of Black Americans. I doubt he even lives in America. And I assure you, as a 20-year immigrant, if you haven’t lived here for a while you honestly have no idea just how astonishingly racist America is.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 15:18,
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I don't doubt that you're right, but I think when you want to see change all the more reason to keep your attacks justifiable and proportionate, and make sure your targets are legitimate ones
I think one of the reason the MeToo movement ran out of steam, and you don't see #metoo hashtags anymore, was that was a growing sense that it had become unfair, when someone like azis ansari who made a girl uncomfortable on a date was treated with equal ferocity as someone accused of coercive rapes and had his career halted. If, in peoples rush to judgement, it turns out this guy did say to the cops "fuck you, I'm getting my gun" as was alleged, this over the top condemnation is only going to give ammunition to reactionary forces against it and move reasonable people who might have become allies to the movement to shun it. It still might not make any difference, but that's what I'd advise, and it's generally my advice about other things, especially with millenials. Dont be so quick to judgement and to condemn. Use moral relativity rather than absolutes if you are going to judge. I know it takes more thinking, but do it anyway. Instead of "im going to put this person in racist category" think "what were the specific failings here, what was their intent, how much harm did they do, was it a mistake I would never have made or am I being a fucking hypocrite because it feels good and superior to condemn people?"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 16:23,
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Because the whole outcry over those viral videos is dishonest utter bullshit.
The US police shoot dead 13 unarmed black men in 2019. This is a ridiculously low number for a population of 330 million. They made around 10 million arrests in 2019.
Also the recent cases aren't innocent black men walking down the street getting harrassed by the police for the color their skin. They are mostly shitheads with a rapsheet, often under the influence, making trouble and getting the cops called onto them and then things get out of hand.
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Oh I see so there isn't a problem of systemic racism in the US.
I'm glad that's sorted out.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 19:16,
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No there isn't.
What law discriminates based on race in your opinion?
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 19:28, Reply)
Why do you ask? We literally just established that there's no systemic racism in the US
and of course systemic racism means explicit laws codified to do harm to black people.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 19:38,
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Oh nevermind, I just thought you might want to elaborate on that conspiracy theory of yours a little bit more.
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yet you seem to be agreeing that the criminal justice system is broken?
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:18,
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No I'm not. What gave you that impression?
As far as I'm accustomed with the US justice system it seems to be one of the better ones. Better than most alternatives at least. Before you start crying about mass incarceration, here is a splendid idea: Stop breaking the fucking law!
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was just wondering about that ol' innocent until proven guilty thing
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:46,
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Best of all the principles! Works out quite well as far as i know.
This is also why you comply when the police tries to apprehend you, so can have your day in court.
Certainly don't behave like the guy with the domestic abuse record and sexual assault charges in the current video.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 21:04, Reply)
maybe don't provoke such behaviour in the first place?
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 21:07,
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eax, you fall into the trap of believing that these protest are just about the floyd of some other isolated event
These are simply particularly egregious examples caught on film of a very common experience for african americans, but an uncommon one for white americans. If you listen to the testimony of protesters, it's a repeated refrain, and something you don't get from 5 second news clips of people marching. They've been unfairly victimised by police multiple times, along with most people they know. Not Floyd. Not this wife beater. Them. And they're hugely and justifiably pissed off and don't want to put up with it anymore, particularly because they feel that they now live in a land where the president sympathises with white supremacists. Floyd was just the straw that broke the camels back.
Perhaps with Niel de Grasse Tyson, a physicist not noted for hyperbole or politics, might you understand what's behind the protest: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJqn124pmHY
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 13:23,
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It’s not the law so much as its application. If you overwhelmingly stop and search one type of person, you are using the law selectively. When that ‘type’ is an ethnic group, it is reasonable and accurate to describe this as institutional racism.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 0:22,
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I suspect they are used as specific instances, like the 'Karen' videos.
After all, it is difficult to prove other sorts of systemic racism on video.
Another example might be elder abuse or abuse of disabled people; when cameras became smaller and cheaper, videos of abuse hit the headlines. That doesn't mean the majority of carers hurt clients.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 19:30,
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But then again, it is not innocent people getting misthreated because they are black. It is asshole criminals ending up dead because they are asshole criminals.
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Threshold of summary execution seems to be lower for some than others.
I'll believe you when people who are wealthy, white, female or politically connected get the same treatment.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 21:23,
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Why would a police officer threat them the same? The chance to lose his life is substantially higher when a young man is resisting arrest than when he is dealing with some Karen.
I highly doubt that wealthy white women commit homicides at the same rate that poor young black, white and yellow men do. Not even close I guess.
Is that "systemic racism" thing just what young people call common sense nowadays? Why should they threat them the same, when different demographics are at completely different crime and threat levels?
Don't you think the guy could just have raised his arms and said "lawyer"? You honestly think he would still ended up being shoot? Should we go burn some car dealership and loot some shops tonight to make it all better?
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Of course it doesn't make it better.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 23:26,
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*cough* Ah, lassitudinem Hercle verba tua mihi addunt, enicas.Est alquid quo tendis, et in quod derigis arcum? *cough*
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sm.pl.crt.rs I don't fucking know, do I?, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 10:26,
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*cough*
*holds testicles*
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 13:23,
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Enough boy. I’m not making an argument I’m calling you and those like you vile cunts.
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 15:21,
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How many black men commit mass murder
School or church shooting and the like?
Yeah, I don't feel safe around white folk in the US.
I never know when they are going to wave their 9mm penis extension in my face.
Probably because I started using words longer than 5 letters,
And they took offence.
(, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 11:25, Reply)
I can't be arsed to sit through all that rambling incoherent bullshit, can you timestamp the relevant part?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:24,
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=chOtJdiBZR4
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VicJameson : fucking internet virgins since, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 11:36,
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Actually, I trained that guy. Taught him everything he knows, but not everything I know.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:35,
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look, this one there's definitely more to it given the background and the events that happened off camera
I hope you don't mind me continuing to argue, Im just curious myself of what the thresholds are for justifying the use of lethal force in the US
but I don't think this guy shed any more light on it. Firstly he said that "you don't let people get into a car" again like it's some rule which it isn't, no more than entering a house or doing quite a few other activities. If the knife was the threat, and it's not confirmed it was a knife, then in the unlikely event he was planning to slash his own sons in the car he probably wouldn't walk around to the empty drivers side. So I think the "saving them from knife attack" looks pretty weak and it'd be hard to use that and "he was going for his gun", you'd have to pick one or the other. He also said "he either told police he was getting a gun, or they knew he had prior weapons possession", like these two facts are interchangeable. They're not, the first clearly establishes both possession and intention, the second can only be a suspicion on both his possession and intentions. the possession might be a reasonable suspicion given the prior, but the intention to use a gun could not be anymore than a guess given his behaviour. So whether he said it or not is quite pertinent. He may have just been escaping another tasing. If it turns out he didn't have a knife, he didn't say he was getting his gun, and there was no gun in the car, the cops are going to look on very shaky ground. Still I'm looking at it through the lens of UK policing where terms like reasonable suspicion are crucial and there's quite a lot of case law and legislative guidance to decide these things
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 15:50,
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you don't do particular well with issues that aren't clearly defined or starkly binary, do you? Where you can say "this is right, this is wrong"
it's ok if you're not. In fact I'd be less likely to mock or challenge your certitudes if it was something you could admit. None of us are perfect
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 7:13,
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It the US
When they have a list of bullet point questions for a suspect,
It better be a short list, because then they need to reload.
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At least Major Gowen had some endearing qualities
youtu.be/o-fjZYEhtaM?t=48 (referring to rats, not to human beings)...
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 16:02, Reply)
Lost all credibility when he tried to sell coffee before making his point.
"I have something really important to say about a hot topic in the news, but more important then that is I have this coffee to sell."
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I F Hobo then {steal bindle}, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 16:21,
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I don't trust anyone over 30 who
chooses YouTube over podcasting as the medium for their brain-farts.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 16:25,
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Why is a cop any more reliable and less biased than news media?
Does he pick and choose his reports based on how culpable the officers might be?
Wonder what he thinks of this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wdeGwiqT0U
Or this
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkuej4H30_8
Or this
m.youtube.com/watch?v=3yg44oS2WwM
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 17:07,
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When considering reporters on an event,
someone who would suffer a loss of reputation because of the public interpretation of that event should never be regarded as an impartial reporter.
In this situation, I would say a cop would be far less reliable and more biased.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 17:24,
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Quite, experience alone is not enough.
If it was, Jeremy Corbyn would be a plausible political correspondent.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 17:42,
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Jeremy Corbyn
is not a plausible anything.
I mean, you could tell me he was going to go for a walk and my first thought would be "I wonder how he is going to fuck that up?"
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 20:36,
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"The main stream media has an agenda"?
The Earth is a globe, people landed on the Moon, 9/11 was caused by big ass aeroplanes hitting a building, drinking bleach is dumb, climate-change is real. Get a grip on reality.
(, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 22:23, Reply)
I thought his point about the media being more interested in driving traffic to their story through outrage then explaining that all the facts weren't known
was a reasonable reminder that many here could heed. Though when he started the sentence I did think "christ, he's not going to go into a Trumpian rant is he?"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 25 Aug 2020, 23:20,
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yes, there's that sanctimonius outrage. it'
s like crack for some people. they keep looking for another hit. What is racism but a gross inaccurate simplification? "All people with this skin colour are like this", ignoring difference. Its little different to the way you ignore context and details and simply brand people as racist who question your belief that this shooting was an unjustified racist attack. If it turns out he said he was getting his gun as has been alleged, the police have an absolute duty of care to protect others, irregardless of your handwringing "they're white and he's black so it must be racist, and anyone who says it's not is racist"
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 0:24,
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FFS - by engaging with this post, it's made it to the front fucking page
So now the first thing people see on b3ta is some US cop defending his buddies' right to shoot unarmed people of colour.
I love this fucking place.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 6:13,
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it's ok, if they click on links and see a bunch of people yelling "Racist cunt" at each other like Katie Hopkins twitter feed, they're sure to change their minds
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 26 Aug 2020, 7:29,
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"Like"
The Broncho thing below.
To restore the balance of the Universe.
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