"there has not been any demonstrable benefits"
I don't know, I think the vaccination stats might disagree with you there.
(
evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:13,
Reply)
Not really what people voted about though.
(
FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:31,
Reply)
If you voted to reduce bureaucracy and red tape, it kind of is though.
(
evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:54,
Reply)
I get the impression that there will be more not less.
Importers/exporters, having to construct our own rules and standards for goods to trade individually with countries, visa arrangements, the Irish border problem, etc.
That's before the US push us into dropping standards so they can export their shit here. Sovereignty, don't make me laugh, this country is an outpost of the US.
(
FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 16:39,
Reply)
The true cost of brexit will be hidden by Bojo
eg such as -
negotiating teams that now have to operate
new custom IT + people
Standard committees #
not to mention all the fraud (and the cost investigation) that will happen with tax/ VAT
the massive holding areas in Kent
(, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:14, Reply)
But isn't the reality
that there is now even more red tape to go through for a large number of businesses, hauliers etc?
I see some businesses are moving their production facilities to the continent in order to avoid it, meaning job losses in the UK
(
My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:08,
Reply)
In my very small way I sometimes 'export' stuff (selling shit to forrins on the internets)
and since January my oversees sales have fallen off a cliff. Of what I sell a good 1/3 of it is returned to the courier (due to unexpected added charges) of which 0% makes its way back to me (cheaper to just destroy all trace of it than incur further costs returning the damned stuff).
There's also the small matter of there being a fucking border inside the UK now. I don't remember anyone campaigning for that.
(
brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:42,
Reply)
Well that sure as hell isn’t where we ended up though.
(
wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 19:38,
Reply)
"I don't know, I think the vaccination stats might disagree with you there."
Wrong!!
The Oxford vaccine was pretty much funded by the government. They pinned down the distribution of the vaccine to the UK using a contract to AZ - nothing to do with being in EU or Brexit.
If anything the government could have got the whole EU output of the oxford vaccine if was not for the fact the UK is classed as a 3rd country.
So again brexit people being misled and lied to on the real benefits of brexit (which I've still not heard of single one!!)
(, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:04, Reply)
This is demonstrably untrue. In early/mid 2020, *every single* remainer in politics demanded the UK sign up to the EU's vaccine scheme, they melodramatically made out it was a national disaster if we didn't. If we hadn't have left the EU, they'd still be in charge and we would unequivocally have signed up to it like every other EU country did. Our lucky escape from the EU's vaccine calamity was entirely because of Brexit.
(, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 20:50, Reply)
The point wasn’t to sign up instead of doing our own thing
It was to sign up *as well as* doing our own thing.
(
wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 21:48,
Reply)
"*every single* remainer in politics demanded the UK sign up to the EU's vaccine scheme"
smoke screen!! nothing to do with brexit tho is it??
the same contract could have been signed with AZ whether the uk was in the EU or not. Just like we had the option to join the EU with other PPE options - brexit or not. we didn't on that and failed to get any reasonable amount of PPE! that's one of many many many failures of Bojo, the vaccine roll out and procurement was one of the very few successes
Brexit in my opinion has not produce one single benefit, except if you want a united Ireland and an independent Scotland
if I'm wrong please let me know
(, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 17:12, Reply)