Only a quarter of Brexit voters were lower class racists
1/3 were old racists and the rest were rich assholes.
Put another way: A quarter of the leave vote could be categorised as “economically deprived, anti-immigration with monthly household income of less than £2,200 a month. A third of leave supporters were older working class, with an average age of 71.
However, almost half were “affluent eurosceptics”
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 13:29,
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The assumption that leave supporters are racist,
is just one of a number of failures on the part of the remain camp. The fact that many people are still blindly insisting that it's just racism, demonstrates that nothing has been learned, and they still have no idea why they lost.
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Of course it was not just racism
As it says in the article, half of the voters were rich eurosceptics, like Reese-Mogg.
My sister, when she was alive, used to say "I'm not racist because I hate the Polish as well. I'm xenophobic" like that made it any better.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 13:53,
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You still appear to be conflating
having concerns about immigration with racism.
It might not be any better, but your sister was technically correct.
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You don't seem to understand that 'concern about immigration' is based on irrational fear of foreigners.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 14:21,
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For some people perhaps.
For many people it's due to things like being less able to access their local healthcare or education services, and stuff like that.
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No. You see, the idea that foreigners are to blame for the shortcomings of our infrastructure is planted by racists
and technically only works on racists.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 15:17,
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My point was though
that she was also a massive racist and when driving she would shout at black people crossing the road "You'll still die whatever colour you are!".
She just claimed she was not and claimed the proof was that she had 'concerns about immigration' and hated the Polish as well. I have had decades of experience with racists (a lot of whom I am related to) who use very similar terms and arguments to hide their racism.
She would say to Big Issue sellers "You're the fucking issue mate".
One problem I have with Brexit supporters is that they want everyone to ignore that racism played a pivotal role in the victory and that if you took the racists out of the picture, they would have lost by a landslide.
According to the article above, possibly between 25-60% of the leave vote. Far far more than 2% anyway.
Personally, I am still waiting for someone who voted for Brexit to show the benefit to the country that Brexit will bring.
So far, apart from 'keeping the furriners out', there has not been any demonstrable benefits.
How about, instead of saying 'you don't understand' you plainly state the obvious reasons why Brexit will be good for the country?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 14:59,
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"there has not been any demonstrable benefits"
I don't know, I think the vaccination stats might disagree with you there.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:13,
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Not really what people voted about though.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:31,
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If you voted to reduce bureaucracy and red tape, it kind of is though.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 15:54,
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I get the impression that there will be more not less.
Importers/exporters, having to construct our own rules and standards for goods to trade individually with countries, visa arrangements, the Irish border problem, etc.
That's before the US push us into dropping standards so they can export their shit here. Sovereignty, don't make me laugh, this country is an outpost of the US.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 16:39,
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The true cost of brexit will be hidden by Bojo
eg such as -
negotiating teams that now have to operate
new custom IT + people
Standard committees #
not to mention all the fraud (and the cost investigation) that will happen with tax/ VAT
the massive holding areas in Kent
(, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:14, Reply)
But isn't the reality
that there is now even more red tape to go through for a large number of businesses, hauliers etc?
I see some businesses are moving their production facilities to the continent in order to avoid it, meaning job losses in the UK
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:08,
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In my very small way I sometimes 'export' stuff (selling shit to forrins on the internets)
and since January my oversees sales have fallen off a cliff. Of what I sell a good 1/3 of it is returned to the courier (due to unexpected added charges) of which 0% makes its way back to me (cheaper to just destroy all trace of it than incur further costs returning the damned stuff).
There's also the small matter of there being a fucking border inside the UK now. I don't remember anyone campaigning for that.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:42,
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Well that sure as hell isn’t where we ended up though.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 19:38,
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"I don't know, I think the vaccination stats might disagree with you there."
Wrong!!
The Oxford vaccine was pretty much funded by the government. They pinned down the distribution of the vaccine to the UK using a contract to AZ - nothing to do with being in EU or Brexit.
If anything the government could have got the whole EU output of the oxford vaccine if was not for the fact the UK is classed as a 3rd country.
So again brexit people being misled and lied to on the real benefits of brexit (which I've still not heard of single one!!)
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This is demonstrably untrue. In early/mid 2020, *every single* remainer in politics demanded the UK sign up to the EU's vaccine scheme, they melodramatically made out it was a national disaster if we didn't. If we hadn't have left the EU, they'd still be in charge and we would unequivocally have signed up to it like every other EU country did. Our lucky escape from the EU's vaccine calamity was entirely because of Brexit.
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The point wasn’t to sign up instead of doing our own thing
It was to sign up *as well as* doing our own thing.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 21:48,
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"*every single* remainer in politics demanded the UK sign up to the EU's vaccine scheme"
smoke screen!! nothing to do with brexit tho is it??
the same contract could have been signed with AZ whether the uk was in the EU or not. Just like we had the option to join the EU with other PPE options - brexit or not. we didn't on that and failed to get any reasonable amount of PPE! that's one of many many many failures of Bojo, the vaccine roll out and procurement was one of the very few successes
Brexit in my opinion has not produce one single benefit, except if you want a united Ireland and an independent Scotland
if I'm wrong please let me know
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Why would I state the reasons that Brexit would be good for the country?
I voted remain, and I still think Brexit is a bad idea.
I just don't automatically dismiss other people's opinions on the topic out of hand, or automatically assume that because they disagree with me that they must do so because of some extremist belief.
If the remain side had had more people prepared to actually listen to the other side, rather than simply casting the opposition as vicious racists, and complacently assuming that there was no chance of the leavers winning because they're all stupid, we might have actually won.
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Feel free to air your “concerns about immigration”.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 14:59,
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One of my concerns
is that if there is less immigration, we won't be able to generate as much tax revenue or find enough people to work in the NHS.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:16,
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There is the seasonal work on farms problem too.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:54,
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I'm sure the Spoons lot will be happy to pick that up
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:15,
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The dishonest insistence that leavers were not motivated by racism is one of the great victories of the Leave camp.
We know why we lost. Decades of anti-EU propaganda from right wing British exceptionalists, jingoists, racists and lazy populists, a population worn down by austerity, and a half arsed remain campaign fronted by a bunch of cunts.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 14:20,
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exactly
just to add + a massive con job and expert targeted marketing using social media and illegal data gathering.
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funded by some illegal Russian money via Aaron Banks (with the enquiry being swept under the carpet) and money from a one or more ultra right wing American billionaire(s)
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Not just racism no
it was greed too. Fuckers didn't want any of that £350m a week spent on some beach in Magaluf. Even though we're talking minuscule amounts of tax and income tax at that - 0.87 of one per cent of income tax and national issuance contributions or £59 per year for the average earner. Well more fool for them for thinking the Tories would spend it on anything else other than themselves or that they'd still have a job and any income to pay tax on after the UK pulled out of the largest trading block in the fucking world.
Still there's always Asia-Pac, maybe we could get back into the opium trade?
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 14:49,
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I have never claimed that the only reason for voting leave was racism
some people were idiots, some were self-centred, and some as far as I can tell were malicious and 'stigginit'.
Obviously there are all combinations of those characteristics.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 13:38,
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Not all brexiteers were racists but all racists were brexiteers. Is that a bit plainer to avoid confusion. I do admit that some racists might not have voted and some might have accidently voted remain or some were remainers and confusingly racist as well.
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Not racist
just #1 with racists.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:14,
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I think racism was just one of the fears that
brexit played on. fear of europe (foreigners) taking over. fear of loss of identity. Fear that peoples lives were getting demonstrably shittier with poundlands and william hills replacing greengrocers and butchers. fears of people talking forrin when you walk down the high street, and asian newsreaders, and brown people at the post office and polish builders and whatever happened to the good life and open all hours?. Fear that life was changing for the worse.
It sold the impossible fantasy that somehow by a vote britain could return to some imagined past of a white empire, of a homogeneous society and cricket on the village green. It's claims of economic independence and strength appeared so laughably preposterous that remainers could scarcely credit that people could believe them, but perhaps some brexiters allowed themselves to buy into that as well. Brexit would never have succeeded if peoples weren't living lives of increasing shittiness and anxiety. That's when bullshitters with simple lies have the most success, like Trump and every populist before him. Of course it probably still wouldn't have got up without that doughfaced cunt cameron leading the remain camp, Corbyn's weak as shit fence-sitting throughout (for all the good it did him), and a certain sneery misapprehension by remainers that some intellectual economic arguments would carry the day, when it was really about dealing with scared disenfranchised people. Now it just means that britain is going to get shittier at a slightly faster rate than it was before. that's my 2p
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 16:40,
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Yeah
that is a good summing up of the situation.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:19,
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Yes, a festival of nostalgia.
Nostalgia is bullshit for people who can't take reality. Half reconstructed fragments of what seemed good.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:48,
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I know it's rich of wealthy elites to moan about a 'liberal media elite'
But it's not without some truth. I don't think the political/media class really appreciate just how disillusioned and detached some people in some areas outside London are.
They're not necessarily left or right, but distrust and despise mainstream politics.
So yeah, when all the major parties get together and say "vote remain", people said "fuck you". I see it round here with the attitude to lockdowns/masks too. They absolutely refuse to believe politicians have their best interests at heart. Sure they're wrong about COVID, but I can see why their instinct is cynicism.
Genuinely I believe some of these people are (or were) apolitical rather than ingrained right-wing, but they're a gift to populists as you say.
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yeah, I agree
there was a strong element of "fuck the establishment, they're responsible for this shittiness" in the trump vote too, (though as with brexit I though they were backing the wrong pony if they wanted to rebel, but it was certainly sold to them as a way to do this). But if they weren't rightwingers to begin with they embraced those arguments as you do when you join a tribe. I saw it in Brazil, when people I knew who were centrists or centre right voted for the neo-facist bolsonaro, as they were fed up with 16 years of an increasingly corrupt left wing government and thought he would be tough on corruption. But fast forward a year and they'd taken on those extremist views by the mere act of joining that tribe. Attacks entrench views. And Bolso was having one of his ministers literally caught shoving bribe cash up his ass as the police raided his home
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 1:04,
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This is literally true, he did have wads of cash up his bumcrack
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 8:50,
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Of the numerous people I know voted for Brexit
only one did it out of just not believing the EU was any good at anything, the rest were racists.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 17:37,
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I do know a couple of people who voted for reason that were not racism, only fair to list them
One voted leave to 'stick it to the tories'. I did try to explain that it was the tories who were most in favour of it, but they just couldn't understand that.
Another thought that leaving would 'usher in a left wing revolution under Jeremy Corbyn'. I did try to explain that they were just playing into the hands of some of the most tory tories in the party who would use Brexit to gain personal wealth at the expense of the country, but they couldn't understand that.
My favourite was 'Jupiter is trine with Pluto' which to be honest made as much sense as any other reason I heard. I was not able to counter that reason because it was so totally bonkers.
All of the rest were racists though who just wanted less brown people on the streets and 'less of them over here' even though Brexit would not change that in the slightest.
My favourites were living out in Spain who wanted to keep britain for the british and were unable to see the irony.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:06,
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Oh god, those Brexit voting 'ex-pats'...
Every time I think of them my heart sinks a little, but then its buoyancy is stabilised by the schadenfreude.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 18:55,
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I remember one in particular
she was about 65, leathery, and a 'singer'.
She was still under the impression that a 65 year old woman singing the songs she used to sing in the early 80's would still 'bring them in like nobodies business and these young Spanish bar owners don't know what they are doing' and that 'things were so much better when the English used to run the bars'.
She was very vocal about how dirty she thought all the Spanish were and how they 'just pump raw sewage straight into the sea'.
I feel certain Spain for one is glad we left the EU.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 21:39,
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I don't know why I thought of Toyah just then.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 23:09,
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It's the leather boobs
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 19 Apr 2021, 23:35,
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I never saw one pro-brexit person change their mind before the vote in any online dis
Partly because of defensiveness from remainder attacks entrenching their view, but I thought the "project fear" counterargument was brilliantly and horrifyingly effective, and since copied by other right wing campaigns in one form or another. It was essentially a religious "don't listen to them, whatever they say that's the devil talking" like dogma of faith
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Apr 2021, 0:23,
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