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This is a link post brexit, promises vs reality
one of many to come

(razzle, Wed 28 Apr 2021, 22:52, Reply)
This is a normal post I think taking back control will finally give britain full freedom of its own economic destiny. Brexit is a great thing
with that freedom it should negotiate access to EU markets for fish exports in return for allowing some fishing by the EU of its territorial waters. This could be part of some major trade, taxation and working rights agreement with its close european neighbouring markets made in Britain's interest for all industries, allowing it to effectively compete with NAFTA and China as part of a major trading bloc, and share the cost of administration and regulation
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 28 Apr 2021, 23:31, Reply)
This is a normal post So
if that were to happen it could be part of a larger framework and we could end up with some kind of bilateral agreement with the EU where goods and services are traded without hindrance and, for example, shellfish can be quickly transported to the EU without having to go through stringent border checks, a sort of customs zone if you will. Eventually, if the deal is good enough, this would be tarrif free and some kind of common market could be negotiated?

I guess that would be the logical end goal if we want prosperity.
 (I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 3:27, Reply)
This is a normal post it's the brexit dream

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 5:54, Reply)
This is a normal post rejoining the eu?

(I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 30 Apr 2021, 20:37, Reply)
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Absolutely. And then maybe after a few years of that you could find that in order to maintain the deal they decide they need supremacy over your courts and the ability to make laws for you. In your own interests you understand.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 9:32, Reply)
This is a normal post they decided?
EU law only has effect when enacted by a domestic Act of British Parliament, I'm afraid. But I'm sure you haven't been led into thinking otherwise by jingoistic brexiters who misunderstand the supremacy of British Parliament to legislate.
Of course, most of these wonderful trade deals that Johnson thinks will eventuate have mechanisms where countries agree to be bound by common rules and often abide by independent courts of arbitration as part of joining. Sound familiar?
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:35, Reply)
This is a normal post You really are a bit thick when it comes to Brexit, aren't you.
I mean, unless you're a parody account, in which case you're a fucking genius.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 14:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep. I agree.
very therapeutic to see this kind of thing happening.
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 14:26, Reply)
This is a normal post better than 'mindfulness'

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 22:43, Reply)
This is a normal post A good swear is a tonic, I tell you
CBD? Chuffingbastardudddies
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Fri 30 Apr 2021, 8:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Well one way to stop that would be to ensure we had a veto on all future rules
If only we had that...
 (I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 30 Apr 2021, 20:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Look here
I didn't fight and die in the Brexit wars for the likes of you to get lippy. If our leader wants to spaff a few grand on a sofa that's his business, you can't expect genius to flourish on inferior soft furnishings can you? Churchill never got pissed on a John Lewis sofa or composed a bon mot sat at an Ikea desk did he?! Stop remoaning - you lost, get over it!
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 8:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Great. Another 'objective' pro-remain analysis from the BBC
Whatever. There's pros/cons of being/not being in the EU.
The BBC view is always a sneery: Here's Brexit and things we think have gone wrong. There's no neutrality as the BBC is pro-remain.
There is no balance or counterpoint. There's never been a view on the downside(s) of the EU.
 (arch_stanton, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 8:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Feel free
to give us all the myriad examples of why leaving the EU is going to benefit us in the long term.
 (Covid69 Boris variant., Thu 29 Apr 2021, 9:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Give us all the myriad reasons
why continued membership of the EU was a good idea?

If you're scared of change and thinking for yourself that's fine. Order some blankets from IKEA and hide under them.

No-one has ever stated the eventual direction of the EU. Its eventual goal. And end point. And what life will be like then. Blind acceptance of the EU is mindless.
 (arch_stanton, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 10:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Answer the question with a question.
you sound like a Sinn Fein spokesperson when asked did they justify a shooting.
 (I helped save b3ta! TBL I posted this on, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 10:45, Reply)
This is a normal post hahahaha
"If you're scared of change and thinking for yourself that's fine... "

"No-one has ever stated the eventual direction of the EU. Its eventual goal. And end point. And what life will be like then..."

this is a contradiction. I'm sure you don't understand why.
 (L E T S G O "Stop buying into and spreading this shit", Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Hey, you seem to be a thick cunt. Let me help you with that.
Here are the main reasons why continued membership of the EU would have been a good idea for us, and remains a good idea for the remaining members.

Peace:
Specifically for us, Brexit invites a return to civil war AKA the 'Irish Troubles.' It also weakens our ties with those who have been our fiercest rivals in the past, increasing the risk of war in Europe overall. It also invites Russia to take the piss even more than it did when we were backed up by our tougher allies.
Prosperity:
Frictionless trade, free movement of goods, services and people as part of the largest free trade zone in the world. All gone. For cheaper TimTams, whatever they are.
Influence:
We used to have it. Now we are nothing more than a loudmouth shitcountry, subservient to just about everyone because Brexit forced us to abdicate our leadership role in world affairs. Because of fish that we don't eat, or something.
Freedom:
Before we had our European citizenship taken from us against our will, we had more rights and freedoms than we do now. The tories want to remove even more, ostensibly to prevent prisoners from voting, but it will remove the most basic and fundamental human rights from all of us. For what? So we can send kippers through the mail.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post If only Nigel Farage had managed to get himself on the news
or Question Time but the BBC never NO WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE THAT CUNT WAS ON THE CUNTING BEEEB NON FUCKING STOP FOR MOST OF MY SHITTY LIFE YOU TWAT!!!!

"There's never been a view on the downside(s) of the EU."

Fuck off. I've had to put up with that frog faced twat and his minions for an eternity to provide "balance" to sanity and banging on about the EcockingU.

Fuck the fuck off. No balance or counterpoint indeed, Suzanne twatting Evans?! Laurence Fox?!?! Nobody's ever voted for these people yet the BBC is full of them. No balance my arse.
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 9:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Seeing as you're so well informed
present the top 3 downsides to continued EU membership?

Out of all the news organisations you've managed to name 3 people who gave views against the EU. Considering the absolute bias of the BBC (and C4 as well) these are outliers.

Getting shouty and sweary doest make you right. It just means you've been sucking at the teat of ignorance for too long.
 (arch_stanton, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 10:22, Reply)
This is a normal post this is the stupidest thing I've seen written on here since Cerebus left

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 10:56, Reply)
This is a normal post it's still bothering me now
"why dont you make my arguments for me if you're so well informed"

eh?
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 14:18, Reply)
This is a normal post I am well informed
I've been exposed to Boris Johnson, Kate Hoey, Jeremy Dyson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Bill Cash basically every time I've watched the news on a TV any interview has had to have balance. I know their options, I heard their arguments and I clearly wasn't alone as 52% of the people who voted to leave the EU.

The idea that nobody was able to put a point of view across in favour of leave the EU is beyond stupid and you know it. You're just an annoying cunt spaffing out a tragic cry wank of nonsense on the thread here because ... well. I don't know.

The only reason I'm replying is because this is the spiritual home of Buffy's swearing keyboard and the refuge of the portmeanteu insult you utter shitcunt. I like insulting you. It's enjoyable. I don't expect to change your point of view, I don't expect to change anyone's - this is the interweb, that shit doesn't happen.

I'm not going to do your "research" for you, go on YouTube and find a nice video yourself.

Getting shouty and sweary you are a shuddering anal fissure of a human being aren't you? Just fuck off back to Parler.
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:15, Reply)
This is a normal post You know the biggest shit about leaving the EU?
I have always wanted to spend some of my retirement in Europe. Maybe a year in Spain, then another year in Italy. Not a fucking option now is it? Healthcare for a retiree? Nop. Ain't gonna happen. Pension? Leave the UK for a couple of months and it no longer tracks inflation. Want to spent more than 3 months in the EU at one time? Fuck off. I may even have wanted to work in Europe at some point, now remote working's so much easier but no. Bank that operates right across Europe? Nop. Can't do that now because BLUE FUCKING PASSPORTS UUuuUUuuUUuuuUuHhhhHHHHHgghnnnnnnandiv'espunkedonmybluepassportiloveyouuunigel.....
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Bless
Now you'll have to fill out a form with those blunt crayons you're allowed to use.
 (arch_stanton, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 16:45, Reply)
This is a normal post ^Winner

(I helped save b3ta! brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 17:55, Reply)
This is a normal post No
I’ll have to get dual citizenship. Fucking expensive pain in the chocolate starfish but I can get an EU passport. Probably take me another year at least...

Anyway. I can use crayons since you ate them all.
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 18:05, Reply)
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"present the top 3 downsides to continued EU membership?"

have you watched the video? and there' will be more

please give me just one benefit of leaving the EU - unless you count breaking up the uk a benefit with N.I being separated and huge boast to Scottish independence?
 (razzle, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:26, Reply)
This is a normal post been a while since we had a pro brexiter arcing up. I was getting nostaligic
Maybe, and I'll just put this wild possibility out there, that the reason that the "brexit was a fairly stupid and damaging thing for britain to do" view is held by so many of what I'd broadly call the well-educated class of commentators, economists and academics, is not because of a nefarious media conspiracy of bias against brexit, but because it actually was a stupid, costly and damaging thing to do with few of the promised benefits in that pesky thing called reality. That Farage, rather than being an outlier, was one of the very few articulate pro-brexit advocates suitable to be on camera, so that's why they kept plonking him there. I'd also posit that you focussing on perceived bias rather than the failure of brexit to live up to the promises it made fishing communities is a displacement activity to avoid facing the consequences of your views, shooting the messenger when you don't like the message
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Good take
not enough swearing though. I like profanities.

I heard that one of the reasons Farage got so much air time is he really is a great communicator. If you want a quote he'll give you the opinion you need exactly how you need it. An alternative POV for a minster? Nigel's your man. Keep it to 20 seconds? Done. He's an editors dream.

Most of the time the BBC don't care about the politics being put across as long as they counter the other person they've got taking place. They just want someone to interview who will speak clearly, concisely, on the subject they need covering providing a counter to the other person for legal reasons and if they can turn up on time, sober, with a decent tie that doesn't phase on camera and they don't smell too bad or pat the cameraman on the bum TOO MUCH then they'll get used again, and again and again.
 (I helped save b3ta! garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 13:38, Reply)
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Eh? Did you actually watch the video? It documented the pros and cons of the fishing situation since Brexit. Are you suggesting that any of the reported facts are incorrect?
 (abc, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Hey, Nerds !!
Guess what...
IT was a shit idea!

Ciao
 (I helped save b3ta! claptonista ,the idiot boy..........🫥, Thu 29 Apr 2021, 21:33, Reply)