Cyber Goth
I made this!
In july 2005 I invented a term for the rising fashion of smiley Goths who dance on E to Dark Trance and EBM and such in a sort of rave 'light sticks and beats' stylee, as it had no name at the time and I got into it, I and my friends described it as Cyber Goth in order to be able to talk about it, the above is a video I made of my fave Cyber Goth scene in Leeds in 2007.
I also posted it onto Urban Dictionary: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cyber+goth (along with the term Cyber Twat which described friends of ours who went so Cyber Goth they got annoying!)
This term has since been adopted by the world in general to refer to this style, yet my video now gets regular comments that it's 'Not Cyber Goth enough' and my original Urban Dictionary definition has been voted down for a more preferable description which greatly amuses me!
There's no way of knowing if it was also 'invented' separately but I like to think it was my sole invention.
BTW, I also invented the term Car Crash TV in 2006 and posted that on Urban Dictionary www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=car+crash+TV and oddly my definition is still the only one on there, and I now regularly see it used most often on Talking Heads Countdown shows such as 100 Worst Moments Of The '90s and such.
I tried lots of other invented definitions of terms and words that actually didn't exist but these two were my most successful before I lost interest.
Try it yourself, it's fun inventing language!
*edit* yup pretty conclusively proven that these were around long before
i re-'invented' them off my own head, but such is language, and much as
I'm sure nobody will believe me, happy to be proven wrong that
i wasn't the first ever usage, but I just wanted to know and was too lazy to do the research, but I may have still helped popularise them, and I was still the first on Urban Dictionary with both of them. Cheers tho.
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..wil, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 13:50,
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car crash tv was around long before 2006
whether or not your definiton of 'cyber-goth' is any better, worse or more apt than those that existed in the years that preceded it is for others to decide
(, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 14:10, Reply)
Any examples?
I'm prepared to be proved wrong but it would be nice to have an example.
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..wil, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 14:33,
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the quickest of google searches
show a 2004 mention in a forum
www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276443&page=2
Seriously, everyone thinks at some point that they invented a phrase. Believe it or not, you might not be the trigger of social change that you think...maybe someone else just thought of it first. Shock horror.
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thiswasmyclone, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 18:13,
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my friend Andy in Nottingham was describing them as
cyber goths in the mid nineties.
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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 14:21,
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As far as I'm aware,
it didn't exist in the mid '90s. I recall coming across something sorta similar in about 2000 (Goth looking guys dancing at Rave venues) but I wasn't aware of any kind of really established Cyber Goth scene until at least 2003. All the bands who create the music seemed to start around about the millenium, so it's rather hard to imagine there was a scene before that!
Again, any examples?
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..wil, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 14:37,
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I'm with the other guy on this one I'm afraid!
The cybergoth clothing shop in Camden has been there since late nineties at least.
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Si o doom Fund me! No catering cost involved! bit.ly/1bFtzN2, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:12,
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Exactly
I've known and used Cyber Goth for bloody ages, and the shop Cyberdog has been around since the early nineties, where I'm sure I've used the term.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog_(shop)
My friends and I used to claim we started the whole yo-yo fad 12 years ago, because on a whim we decided to all buy some, and a month later, it was the biggest thing in the world.
So yes, plenty of people have these delusions sometimes. It's ok!
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aMac updated his sig, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 19:37,
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_(subculture)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybergoth
And here's a reference to car-crash tv from 2004
archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2004/07/18/story678206179.asp
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Alzo wouldn't ride your mum into battle, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:12,
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I've got access to Nexis, let me check.
"Now Saturday Zoo is off the ground, he feels confident enough to push it to extremes. He knows that millions of TV fans - himself included - love the tackiness of this so-called 'car-crash television', although he's not entirely sure why.",
- Jacqui Deevoy, Daily Mail, January 16, 1993
""It's definitely not safe walking around looking the way I do," said Jackal, 31, one of the co-founders of House of Usher and Temple and current member of the cyberGoth band Anguish."
- April Lynch, The San Francisco Chronicle, February 5, 1999
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Zuowan, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:37,
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haha
pretty conclusive. Can I use this opportunity to coin the phrase 'car crash post'?
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thiswasmyclone, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 18:15,
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Yes, and you could put it on Uban Dictionary as a phrase you just plucked out the air,
of course even tho you just invented it that won't necessarily mean you were the first to use it, but if you then find it's later become a very popular phrase you may have still helped popularise it.
And BTW I've checked and it's not yet defined so go for it! ;)
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..wil, Tue 24 Feb 2009, 15:59,
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You definitely didn't invent the term Cyber Goth
Really. You didn't.
If you could, you know, uninvent it, that would be lovely. It's a terribly insular fashion parade of a scene, comprised of a bunch of pink haircuts dancing badly to minor key hard trance featuring a Belgian bloke going 'OOOooOOoOOOOoo, I'm a vampire'.
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Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:13,
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hmm
well i certainly remember the term cyber-goth being used in my local 'alternative' venue 2003/2004 (Manchester).
so *shrug*
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Shiodome has realised numbers in names aren't cool., Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:45,
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I've been speading the word
"Luftschweinchen" with German speakers, for a replacement of "Fledermaus" - both mean bat (the small type, not the flying fox, thats "Flughund").*
I know for sure I invented that one, and Slippers as opposed to Tschuess (It sounds like Shoes!).
So hah!
*Fledermaus = Flutter Mouse
Luftschweinchen = Little sky-pig
(, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 15:57, Reply)
The term Cyber Goth was already in use when I was visiting Goth parties on a regular basis and that was like 10 years ago.
(, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 16:49, Reply)
My mate
claimed to have invented 'chinny reckon.'
You can imagine my response to that.
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Mrs Entity is in hiding., Sun 22 Feb 2009, 17:51,
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You mate reckoned he invented it??
"Ooooh year, chinny reck!!"
(not heard that in 25 years)
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lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 19:18,
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i've hated the Cybergoth scene for at least 15 years now
that's all the proof i need.
(, Sun 22 Feb 2009, 19:40, Reply)