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This is a normal post is there not civil partnership in scotland?
I didn't know that
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 21:47, Reply)
This is a normal post There is, although you can't have one in a church, even if the church wants to.
It's not the same institution as marriage, it just conveys similar rights.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 21:49, Reply)
This is a normal post ok, so if you can be registered as together in the eyes of the law and have the same rights,
why would you want to go the very specific route and marry in a church that generally stands against what you believe in?

I've never understood the whole church thing. If two people want to be together, what business is it of religion?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 21:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Well they wouldn't want to get married in a church that was opposed to it, would they?
The points are:
1. they can't even get a civil partnership in a church (or any other religious establishment) that ISN'T homophobic, and this is in violation of religious freedom (the Government is almost saying that religions have to be homophobic.)
2. marriage isn't the same thing as civil partnership. It's a separate institution and that's discrimination. (Straight people can't get a civil partnership either) and gay people want to get MARRIED, the same as straight people, Civil Partnerships were a compromise to bigots in the first place.

Personally I'd be happy if marriage was completely deregulated, because to me it's essentially a social thing that I don't think the state should have a say in. But clearly I'm against the grain here because they recently abolished common-law marriage altogether.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:03, Reply)
This is a normal post SOMEONE BROUGHT UP RELIGION ON /LINKS AGAIN

(I helped save b3ta! Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Tue 22 Nov 2011, 0:00, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought I was bringing up gay marriage,
but someone always has to have a go.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 22 Nov 2011, 0:06, Reply)
This is a normal post because believe it or not
not all churches are full of rabidly homophobic kiddie fiddlers.

I know quite a number of openly gay christians, who worship at churches that support them and their relationships - who would dearly love to celebrate their love for each other in a church with all their friends and family.

Currently the closest you can get to that is a civil ceremony followed by a blessing in the church - which doesn't really feel the same does it.

What *I* don't get is how some churches can be so vocal about "your church shouldn't be allowed to marry poofs, because if you are we'll have to do it too and we don't want to!"

I truly don't follow that train of thought at all.

disclosure: I'm a massive poof, but am ignostic
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:04, Reply)
This is a normal post I wouldn't force a homophobic church to conduct gay marriages,
that would just be pointless. That's a separate question on the form, anyway.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:10, Reply)
This is a normal post regardless of how accepting and supporting a particular christian church, parish or even religious sect are, the religion itself is homophobic
it seems odd to me that people can't see that worshipping a god that according to the religion's own scripture would condemn you for your behaviour is counter-intuitive.

to be fair though, most people would be condemned to hell if they were to take the whole bible seriously. it seems that the majority of religious people are very selective about which bits of the book they take notice of
 (I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:17, Reply)
This is a normal post It's not just about Christianity though, it's all religion,
my own (Unitarian) church doesn't even insist that the Bible is the word of God; I don't know what the Quaker's stance on scripture is but I know they're backing this, as well as the Liberal Jews.

I shouldn't need to point out that the Bible is very much open to interpretation. I actually quoted 1 Corinthians 7:9 on the form.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:22, Reply)
This is a normal post i don't know why i'm asking this, as i'm not sure i care
but if your religion uses the bible and it's concepts as it's base, but doesn't actually believe what it says is actually true, what's the fucking point of that?
 (I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, quite.
The point is though that not every religion does, and it's no business of the state if it does or not.

BUT ask any Rabbi, Liberal or otherwise, and they'll tell you that Leviticus prohibits bumsex, not Special Best Friends Forever.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:34, Reply)
This is a normal post As a Quaker I believe that all religious texts have some merit however none should be taken literally.
There's also the concept of continuous revelation however this is not something I ascribe to.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Tue 22 Nov 2011, 2:37, Reply)
This is a normal post "I shouldn't need to point out that the Bible is very much open to interpretation"
lucky no-one stakes their chance for immortality or base their entire life around it then eh?
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:41, Reply)
This is a normal post their own interpretation is their own business

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:44, Reply)
This is a normal post so why do religious people keep trying to push that interpretation on other people?
bah!
 (I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:48, Reply)
This is a normal post what you mean the Catholics and their homoskeptical lobbying?
well quite. I don't know what goes through their minds to be honest but I don't think the government should be pandering to it. Which is why I put my tuppenceworth on that there form.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post I think you've missed my point
If you say that the bible is "very much open to interpretation" then you're saying that it isn't clear about its message. And if the bible isn't clear about what it's saying, why on earth would you base your life around it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Some bits are clearer than others, of course.
According to Rudolph Bultmann, all you need to believe in to be a Christian is Christ crucified. I think it's fairly clear on at least that much.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Hmmm either you're avoiding an argument or you don't have an answer
Not sure which, but I hope for your sake you just don't like confrontation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:19, Reply)
This is a normal post It's not an argument I came here for,
and not one I really want right now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Fair enough
Glad you're more secure in your religion than you first appear.
 (I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:23, Reply)
This is a normal post ffs
"the religion itself is homophobic" - only to the same inherent level as it being anti beard shaving, or pro-slavery.

I repeat, I'm not christian I'm ignostic. I'm also pro-choice when it comes to churches.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:24, Reply)
This is a normal post that's all covered by my second paragraph

(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:30, Reply)
This is a normal post wait...
have I misunderstood, or are you saying gays shouldn't be allowed to marry in a church because the men at that church don't have beards?
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:42, Reply)
This is a normal post you have misunderstood
gays should have the same rights as anyone to do whatever the fuck they like. and religion is stupid
 (I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Also, some people just like the idea of being married
Civil partnership is hardly the most romantic sounding concept. Besides, simply the fact that gay marriage is not allowed conveys a lower status upon homosexual relationships, even if it is only on a symbolic level
 (I helped save b3ta! Photoshop Bitch 2014 edition, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:15, Reply)
This is a normal post this^

(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:17, Reply)
This is a normal post what's worse,
if you're married and you get a sex change, BANG and the marriage is gone. Doesn't matter if you still love each other.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Jan Morris is an interesting case
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris
Marriage and then later a civil partnership with the same person
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:31, Reply)
This is a normal post True, although actually that's only the case if you get a Gender Recognition Certificate
which is optional. But by the same token it means a transexual woman has to get the Gender Recognition Certificate if she wants to marry a man.
 (I helped save b3ta! Photoshop Bitch 2014 edition, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:44, Reply)
This is a normal post this is the biggest issue, I think
It's state-sponsored segregation, marking out gay couples' relationships as 'different'
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Mon 21 Nov 2011, 22:26, Reply)