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This is a normal post Surely it's better to make it illegal to stamp out inflicting a religious view on a child too young to choose its lifestyle?
at the very least they can then sue their parents and church for being the mutilating idiots they are.
Seriously, if "God" didn't want a foreskin, he/she/it wouldn't have put it there in the first place
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Salient point.
Anyone know the answer?
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post very simple answer,
Judaism does not maintain that everyone in the world ought to be Jewish.

Circumcision is the sign of the covenant, if nobody had a foreskin they'd only have to cut something else off instead. Like their earlobes or something I don't know.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Good point.
I don't understand the point but it's a good one.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:45, Reply)
This is a normal post just the people who are born to jewish parents ought to be jewish

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:17, Reply)
This is a normal post being circumcised doesn't really force a lifestyle on anybody,
there are probably millions of circumcised people who don't know what all the fuss is about. It's fairly standard practice amongst Christians in the US for some reason.

Your theory of God is yours... others might not agree. I don't see the point in arguing what the will of God really is. Unless the state says that it isn't it has to accept that it might be.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post circumcision isn't reversible, it really is forcing a lifestyle on someone
it's only a medical procedure in freak cases of some kind of muscle contraction.

When I say "god" I deliberately put it in speech marks. I mean 'mother nature' really. If there was a need for circumcision, evolution would have made it happen by itself.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Being circumcised is not a lifestyle,
it doesn't condemn one to being Jewish forever.

Well whatever you mean, you have to prove it to a Rabbi, I guess.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I have no idea what you're saying
I'm not talking about being Jewish at all.
I'm saying once you've had part of your dick cut off you can't grow it back.
That in itself is doing something to a child before it can say "yeah, I think that'd be cool"
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:47, Reply)
This is a normal post That's true,
and it raises interesting questions about the rights of children.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:52, Reply)
This is a normal post how was it not about the rights of children before?
oh of course, religion, they know better than the children they inflict themselves on.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:56, Reply)
This is a normal post It was about religious freedom before.
Does a government have the courage to say "we must protect children from religion"? That's what I'm asking. There seems to be something of a stand off here between the modern western idea of rights of children and the right of freedom of religion. Because circumcision is not an option for Jews.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Simple rules
children should have a say in what made up fairy tale they believe in.
Fuck religion, fuck their parents saying you must have part of your cock cut off because an imaginary friend said so.

If they want to do that, let them do it when they are 18, or better still after they've been psych tested and simply weighed up the options.

The sooner laws prevent gullible religious twats inflicting their doctrine on their kids the better.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:04, Reply)
This is a normal post So you're saying it's definitely not the word of God, then.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:05, Reply)
This is a normal post what isn't?
what is the word of god (and which god)?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:11, Reply)
This is a normal post the requirement for Jews to be circumcised.
At 8 days old, so it says.

It's easy for you to say that's fairy tale bullshit or whatever... question is, what happens if a government of a liberal democracy says it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12, Reply)
This is a normal post no religion should be inflicted on anyone unable to make a choice for themselves
simple as that.

A government should protect its citizens from cults, scams, fraudsters and religions, especially when they intend to inflict physical alteration to them, until an age when they can make the choice for themselves.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Where do you stand on abortion?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25, Reply)
This is a normal post you are trolling now for sure


Abortion is entirely down to the circumstance of the woman involved and certainly not a fucking church.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:28, Reply)
This is a normal post what about the infant involved,
does the government not have the duty to protect it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:32, Reply)
This is a normal post only after the accepted point where medical science proves it has sentience
Where do you stand on a blowjob or a wank or a piss (which for a man who has passed puberty dumps sperm)?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Sentience doesn't have anything to do with the legal limit on abortion,
it would be nice if it did but what we've got has more to do with some concept of "viability" as far as I know. But supposing we take that cut-off point.

Would it be ok to circumcise a foetus, if it were possible, before the same time limit?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Being "Free thinking" is not an option for Jehova's Witnesses
- threatening individuals with castigation (sic) if they don't toe the party line, in whatever form, is repression, regardless of the reason for it. Just because something has always been done doesn't make it right, and the reasons for doing something a few thousand years ago doesn't mean it has to continue.

Also, there it appears "degrees of Judaism" - not all Jews avoid shell fish, pork, tattoos, for example.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Nobody is going to force a Jew to eat Pork though.
Obviously the antiquity of a practice doesn't make it more likely to be right. But this is a religion that has been allowed to do its thing until now, and now we decide, it isn't right. Novelty doesn't make an idea right, either. It's our morals vs theirs.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:21, Reply)
This is a normal post we used to burn people as witches 400 years ago too

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:25, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah I think they should bring that one back,
get rid of Derek Acorah.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:26, Reply)
This is a normal post sold

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 23:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Quite why an ancient practice based on personal hygiene and aimed at preventing masturbation thousands of years ago
is still practiced today does not make sense at any level. As well as that, there is plenty of research which shows circumcision leads to long term physiological and psychological problems in later life.

Enough fuss was made of docking the tails of dogs, which is now outlawed in the UK at least, but has similar physical and psychological effects as circumcision - and was proven to shorten life expectancy in dogs.

Both are barbarous practices which have no place in the modern world, along with female genital mutation.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:35, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think masturbation has anything to do with it.
It's still practiced today because people are still Jews today and it's one of the rules of Judaism. As such it doesn't need to be justified on practical grounds.

"Barbarous" is rhetorical language, I'd be careful of it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:39, Reply)
This is a normal post "Barbarous" used deliberately.
I think "emotive" is the word you're looking for.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post That's another one,
as is "loaded".
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Do you have a penis?

(Spin Its a thing., Fri 13 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)