Babysitting the Mother
Seen this in the news today:

A 10-year -old Romanian girl has given birth to a healthy baby in a hospital in Jerez de La Frontera in southwestern Spain. Some might wonder what all the fuss is about. After all in Britain Tressa Middleton was just 12-years-old when she gave birth to a baby girl in 2004. Oh and how the media vilified her until it emerged this summer that she was the victim of habitual abuse and rape by her own brother, the father of her child.

my.telegraph.co.uk/expat/annanicholas/10140414/the-little-girl-left-holding-the-baby/


Not really lols. But OMG 10!!!!!! I didnt think theyd have the right.. erm... equipment at that age!!

But if she needs babysitting do you think the babysitter would get double money? For babysitting her and her child? :)
(Miggyman, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:04, 19 replies)

How can these girls get pregnant so young?
Isn't puberty supposed to kick in first and start you releasing eggs?
( girlinthehole, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:23, closed)

world's youngest mother was aged 5
that just boggles the mind
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:24, closed)

Yes, but...
... puberty appears to be more governed by body weight than age. One of the reasons that young girls are going through puberty earlier is that they are growing to "adult size" faster.

In the mid-19th Century, on average adult women were about the size of an average 12-year-old now. Queen Victoria was 4'11" tall, and wasn't considered to be a small woman.
(gordonjcp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 22:35, closed)

With Tressa Middleton - you can see with the public that it's not exactly jumping to conclusions to say that she is just another young mother getting pregnant - one of my friends from primary school had a baby at 12 or 13, it's not that unusual in some places.

But I read the article she released about what had happened - she'd told her Mum at the time that her brother had been raping her and her family took his side. That is the shocking thing about it.
(ignoramusaurus, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:54, closed)

Yes, it should be the father that does that.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 23:11, closed)

If the body is ready and capable
it's just human nature isn't it?
If humans are able to have children that young, it's because nature intended them to isn't it?
On the other hand... ewww, prostitots.
(Turtlenuts, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 15:36, closed)

Hardly.
In Afganistan and Africa where young wives are prevelant, there is a high rate of females dying in childbirth.
( girlinthehole, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 15:43, closed)

There is a high rate of females dying at childbirth amongst any animals. Are those young wives giving birth in sanitary hospitals with the quality medical service experienced in parts of the world were young wives are less prevelant? Are those young wives well nourished and taken care of before and after the birth? Is age the deciding factor in your argument?
(Turtlenuts, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 15:46, closed)

No it's because of the fact their pelvis hasn't developed properly at that age amongst other things.
I'm sure there will be something on the internet about it somewhere but as I'm off to the gym in a bit I can't be arsed to find it.
( girlinthehole, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 15:51, closed)

In 26 minutes?
(Turtlenuts, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 16:19, closed)

Actually
even amongst societies which encouraged young marriage Europe in the medieval period for example, accepted medical knowledge realised that they weren't yet ready to have children regardless of sexual maturity. Just because your period has started doesn't mean your body is equipped physically for the birth of a child, you're still growing yourself and amongst other things as BGB pointed out your pelvis isn't equipped for it.

That's not even to bring in the obvious about mental and emotional maturity and the damage it can do to young girls
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 17:55, closed)

In sub-Saharan africa and in countries such as Afghanistan surely the issue is as much with the infant mortality rate as with maternal mortality?
(Wibblist Last said "Wibble" on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 15:55, closed)

This isn't true. Most animals (with some exceptions for domesticated species) barely seem to bat an eyelid - cows will merrily carry on eating right the way through. Most of the problems we have come from our disproportionately large heads, which are required for our disproportionately large brains. Our bonces have outgrown our birth canals, and this problem is exacerbated in younger, underdeveloped mothers.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 16:40, closed)

The concept of an age of consent
is precisely that a person under that age is unable to make informed choices about such things.

To meaningfully criticise someone, you have to assume that they're capable of making better choices.

So anyone who vilified her for getting pregnant is implicitly arguing against the age of consent.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 16:08, closed)

Many kings, pharaohs, and other royal type folk began ruling at a very young age. They were taught to.

People will not begin to make informed choices until they are forced to by way of independence, responsibility, and past experience. Many are lacking the ability to make an informed choice by the time they reach the "age of consent" as they are not being taught any manner of those 3 qualities.
(Turtlenuts, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 16:31, closed)

Here we go with both feet
It's a little bit like health and safety law which I believe expressly prohibits the assumption of common sense in employees! The age of consent is an ideal of what we would like to be reality that has not been able to keep up with a society incapable of restraint and furthermore actively encourages ill informed decision making under the guise of 'rights'.

Trying to compare differently developed countries is pointless, the additional factors present in each case makes correlative evidence unlikely and such is the diversity in most societies these days that this almost as true at home as it is abroad. Things need to be judged on an individual basis, my personal gut instinct tends toward thinking that there are few if any under sixteens that are mentally up to having to cope with the strain of parenting whether physically capable of rutting with abandon or otherwise.
( number5 has been fighting tramps and losing., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 17:35, closed)

Going a bit off topic . . .
it's not the health and safety laws that are at fault. It's people misinterpreting them.
(Bitter and Twisted, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 20:21, closed)

This is true.
My job is potentially very dangerous, but my employers are legally obliged to provide a system of accountability, so that any near-misses and accidents are properly reported and the corrective measures (hopefully) prevent them from happening again. The law says nothing about how such a system should be implemented, only that it should be there.

The petty bureaucracy people attribute to the law results from implementors in lower-risk workplaces overestimating the amount and/or severity of potential hazards and completely losing their sense of perspective.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 23:05, closed)

I have yet to experience a workplace "accident" which wasn't entirely my own fault.
Didn't matter how many safety measures were in place, my injuries were caused entirely by own inattention to the task at hand.

I'm not convinced of the benefits of formalised H&S, since it didn't stop me hurting myself. On the other hand, a dose of common sense (pay some fucking attention to what I'm doing) would have done.
( flake has nothing against your right leg, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 4:19, closed)