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Tell us your stories of churches and religion (or lack thereof). Let the smiting begin!

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(, Thu 19 Mar 2009, 15:00)
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Not all Christians are time-wasting twunts
Here's a few I know:

Keith and Kathy are white Zimbabweans (they used to live here in the UK). Despite the growing dangers, they're still running their orphanage on a farm near Harare. They get regularly harassed by the army but continue giving out free food to those in the area who can't feed themselves.

Pastor Sam would be called a wide-boy if he was British. He's constantly doing whatever he can to blag more stuff for the dozens of orphans and abandoned children he cares for in India. Unable to ignore the suffering around him, he's always taking on more.

Christians Against Poverty is a debt counselling charity that helps people who find themselves struggling with debt. They offer practical help - from helping to make a budget to standing by you in court - as well as emotional support. They do such a good job that local councils routinely refer people to them.

Basics Bank is a local (to me) charity that hands out free food and clothes to those who have slipped through the net and have ended up unable to provide for themselves.

Click I Like This if you prefer it when we do this sort of thing to when we bang on about homosexuality and dinosaurs.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 7:19, 16 replies)
Proper Christians
doing His work.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 7:43, closed)

Yeah, fair call. Clicky.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 8:06, closed)
Lots of people do work like this who are not Christians or have any religeous beliefs.
They do it because they are good people and not because God tells them to.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 9:14, closed)
Indeed, you are correct.
These people feel inspired though.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 13:40, closed)
And they're not just doing it for some eternal reward
...But motivated out of true autruism.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 21:23, closed)
but thats not really the point though. The OP was merely saying 'Not all Christians are time-wasting twunts' and that's a fair call.
(, Tue 24 Mar 2009, 7:53, closed)
What BGB said.
Why does having a religion make any difference at all to any of these cases?

(In fact, the "About" page from the Zim people makes them look utterly insufferable...)
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 10:15, closed)
Easy access to disaffected children
Open head, pop brain out, give it a quick scrub, off you go. Remember it was *GOD* that saved you!

Pushing your belief system in the name of charity is both morally disgusting and dangerous at the same time. Anyone remember Rwanda? Examine the root causes of that genocide and tell me that "missionary" work is harmless.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 10:34, closed)
In fairness...
... you can't lay Rwanda at the door of missionaries. It had far more to do with colonial and post-colonial politics.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 10:51, closed)
I'm not denying that colonial politics was involved
The Tutsis were deemed to be more "European" than the Hutus during the early days of colonialism. That's why they were brought into the Protestant church, and given positions of power by first the Germans, then (post WWI) the Belgians. But it wasn't until the French missionaries spread Catholicism amongst the supressed Hutu majority in the sixties that they came to believe in the "All men are created equal" creed. This spread until it reached a flashpoint in the nineties and Catholic seminaries were used as recruiting points for machete gangs.

The official African Union report names both the Anglican and Catholic churches as culpable in the Rwandan genocide. Rowan Williams even apologised for his church's part in it.

In a nutshell, I'd say it was part racism and part colonialsim, but the lion's share of the blame has to rest on our old friend, religious sectarianism - which you can always rely on when it comes to outrageous bloody violence.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 11:05, closed)
On the other hand
let's go out there and convert loads of people to a different religion than their neighbours...hey, what harm can it do?
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 11:17, closed)
Wait, that sounds more like the spread of democratic ideals was responsible.
"...it wasn't until the French missionaries spread Catholicism amongst the supressed Hutu majority in the sixties that they came to believe in the "All men are created equal" creed. This spread until it reached a flashpoint in the nineties..."

So, know your place and all will be well?
(, Tue 24 Mar 2009, 11:03, closed)
I agree entirely.
I know the people I've cited though and I know they don't do this.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 13:41, closed)
Their blind following of the same religion that caused the problems
however, just gives it some unwarranted legitimacy.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 21:25, closed)
I call bullshit right there
From Keith and Kathy's website:

"Our values

Biblical belief:
God and His word, has the authority in everything that is done & we are led by the Holy Spirit.
Our dependence is on God
Gift of compassion:
To share our love unconditionally.
Be excellent at what God has called us to.

The Statement of Faith
To be available to the Holy Spirit’s leading.
We follow the old & new testament of the bible & we believe in one God.
We believe Jesus is our only way to our Father God.
We live by faith through prayer."

They don't sound like the evangelising sort at all, do they?

"Our aim is to take the children wherever they are at and build them up to self-sufficiency. HOW? Feed them weekly through a church then teach them to plant and grow their own food."

So they have to go to a church first? Why? Indoctrination is present from the ground up. Children's minds are like sponges. I appreciate the things these people are doing to help, but if they are doing it in the name of God then they are only exacerbating things and doing it for entirely the wrong reasons.
(, Tue 24 Mar 2009, 16:46, closed)
Christains against poverty
I used to work in the debt business.

Every dealing I have had with these people has been painful. Their idea of helping a debtor is to ask the company to write it off, advise the punter not to pay and tell the collections company that their customer is a "good person" and should have their debts re-considered.

Debt collectors generally tell them to jog-on, take punter to court (where the C.A.P. stand by them) then when the court sides with the debt co, the punter gets screwed much worse than if they had done the right thing in the first place.....

sorry to poop on your post but these people truly suck.
(, Mon 23 Mar 2009, 14:33, closed)

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