Hmmm.....
1) "Religion is the root of all evil"

Nope. Religion per se never harmed anyone. Try explaining that to anyone who's ever been aided by the Red Cross and Red Crescent charities.

Are you seriously suggesting also that Muhammed Ali and Osama Bin Laden are similarly as evil because they both subscribe to the same faith?

2) "some of the most hypicritical things done in society seem to come from the church itself"

Again, you don't have to subscribe to a particular faith before you're branded a hypocrite...

3) "And as for muslims, what is all this hiding the women away behind head curtains all about?"

Some Muslim women I've known say it's all about modesty. While I disagree with some aspects of how Saudi Arabian culture treats women for example, you can't suggest that the same doctrine applies to women who originate from more progressive societies who happen to be muslim.

4) "try thinking of things in a matter of FACT way, not airy fairy shite dribbled out of some shite book written thousands of years a go, by biggot small minded idiots"

'Biggot' is spelled with one "g". Try also checking the dictionary definition of the word and re-reading your rant. You might surprise yourself.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 26 Mar 2009, 14:56, 2 replies)

You think his rant is bad.
Don't get me started on the burqa. Modesty my arse!

Ninja edit. Got the hijab and burqa mixed up.
( girlinthehole, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:05, closed)

As I said, I don't agree with how some cultures treat women...
...but it's more a "cultural" thing than religious. Plymouth Bretheren women cover their hair, some Greek Orthodox and Jewish women wear veils too.

Misogynistic societies aren't necessarily so because of faith.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:10, closed)

Yes and why do these women have to be modest?
Not because of anything they will do but because of what it might incite in men.


*get's feminist hat on*

*seethes*
( girlinthehole, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:14, closed)

@BGB
You're absolutely right.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:18, closed)

@PJM
I know you agree with me but it just pisses me off. It's one of my bugbears.
( girlinthehole, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:22, closed)

@ BGB Agreed
It because men can't trust other men to not want to take them off and shag them if they show a bit of flesh, so they insist on them being covered up. I am sure some women prefer it, which is fine and that's personal choice, but for it to be enforced is wrong.
(iwantmybed Is counting down the hours till home time on, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:29, closed)

But...
I don't think that anyone'd deny that modesty is a virtue. There's something to be said for people being modest.

However - that leaves the question of what counts as modesty wide open. And I don't think that a burka really provides the best way to answer it...
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:40, closed)

it's their cunning ninja way of getting round being seen at all

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 16:54, closed)

I'll deny that modesty is a virtue.
1. Who sets the rules on virtues?
2. Repression is also a very bad thing.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 17:00, closed)

And...
The veil was a Greek thing originally anyway...
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 15:06, closed)