People complaining about the NHS and why healthcare is better abroad
Admittedly inspired by a post last week, but fits here rather well.

I'm personally in the "yay NHS" camp, but I acknowledge not everyone agrees with me. I realise that those with horror stories have a right to their opinion that maybe the NHS isn't so great and we would be better off with private insurance because the UK system of NHS only and private insurance being BANNED BY LAW means we do loose out on access to some of the higher quality.

Wait, what's the Skippy? Private medical insurance in the UK isn't BANNED BY LAW in the UK?

That's right, if you hate the NHS, fuck off and take out private insurance. I fail to see what's wrong with having both options. If you're complaining because the NHS sucks and you can't afford private, on what planet would you get the private stuff at NHS prices? Bothered about your taxes paying for it? Technically they do, but due to the NHS private insurance is actually pretty good value in the UK because it has to compete with free rather than "go away and die", which is less popular than "free". So you're no worse off, probably better.
(GothicTechie, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 18:33, 26 replies)

It's not irrational it's a different opinion.
There were discussions some years ago about "opting out" of the NHS, for example.
Life isn't black and white and just because somebody recognises a problem in a system doesn't mean they're an irrantional idiot who is against it.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 18:49, closed)

Except that the nhs is funded out of general taxation that you still have to pay if you have private medical insurance.
And as The Bible clearly says, taxation is the work of Satan and Muslims and Queers.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 18:54, closed)

I rarely participate in QOTW
But I cannot click this harder. I happen to believe that our 65 year 'experiment' has gone pretty well (and survived more rabid tory governments than our own) and is now effectively a 'how to' for other countries who have followed in its footsteps. Not America though, because everyone's right to be given medical attention if necessary is somehow 'socialist'. I just find that weird, they never complained about education..
( Quiver Search for FATALISTS on Spotify, Amazon, Apple, &c, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 19:58, closed)

Yes we do complain about education, actually.
And your model is falling apart and does not serve as template for the world, but do carry on. I wish you well. I really do.

Your premises are flawed and so too your conclusions. I don't care to get into it, but socialism it is by definition, and as such perversely unAmerican at its core. For America to adopt a model anything close to this, and it already has, is to change America into something else, and that's not altogether bad. I'm for it. But it is socialist. It means reaching deeply into your pockets to make economic decisions you already decided against. It's admitting you cannot handle your own affairs so rely on government to do it for you with the understanding you're being taken care of. It means sharing with people you don't like. It means sharing between generations. It means having your grandchildren pay for my services and my choices today. That's socialism.
( kombu dashi, Tue 15 Oct 2013, 23:42, closed)

It's a slippery slope down to seizing the means of production.
Just like in the UK, where we've steadily privatised all of our national industries. Truly, I am living in the workers' paradise, and so too will you, soon. All thanks to Obama and his socialist agenda.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Wed 16 Oct 2013, 10:13, closed)

Yes I agree and you have earned the sum total of one click sir!
I have relied upon the NHS for alot of stuff recently, and if I was living in the States (easy example) I would very likely be in a right mess of a financial situation. It isn't perfect of course, any organisation that big is liable to slip-ups on occasion but shit, treatment for free, no question? I'm in. Provided you're not one o' them forrins
(Panzerfaust, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:23, closed)

I've clicked to opt in
I have raised similar points with a variety of folk over the year and a lot of people just haven't ever considered it in this way.
( number5 has been fighting tramps and losing., Mon 14 Oct 2013, 22:49, closed)

I agree whole heartedly.
I especially hate the cunts who seem to think they are customers.
( baw__bag contains traces of nuts on, Tue 15 Oct 2013, 0:40, closed)

Isn't is something along the lines of being pissed off for having to pay for something that's shit?
If there was an option to not pay for it, it would be a valid rant.

My taxes pay for other things, too, but I like most of them - particularly the nuclear weapons.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 15 Oct 2013, 12:28, closed)

Lose.
I find it highly irrational that you use too many 'o's.

What do you do if you actually want to use the word 'loose' where it's appropriate?

Looose?
(dchurch bah, Wed 16 Oct 2013, 9:29, closed)

In the US
the medical system is corrupt to the core. Providers charge ridiculous prices because the rotten insurance companies are complicit with them in keeping prices artificially high. As a result, Americans pay more per capita on healthcare than people in the UK. They will bleat on about the high cost of social medicine, not realising they are spending their lives funding the fact cats who provide their own 'independent' medicine. You never retire in the US because you need to work forever to pay the medical bills. Show them a hint of social medicine though and all the stupid, right wing fuck heads ooze out of the closet to decry such communistic ideals.
(ianisme, Wed 16 Oct 2013, 22:08, closed)