funny that
because I agree - Its my belief that if you have to push your thoughts on another then its likely that what you're trying to force upon them isn't worth it. Sad thing is, I hear even less humanity from atheist/humanists than I do from fellow Christians and in both cases I don't like it - it isn't attractive. In this regard, Fred Phelps and Christopher Hitchens belong in the same box. The problem comes because, by daring to try and be counter-cultural, the only response by the secular mob is to try and shout so loud that they drown out any other voice. For the record, I do not 'clap my hands', that would be embarassing. Neither am I a YEcreationist - I'm not naiive.
(gearanach #wankwankwank, Fri 3 Apr 2015, 21:49, 2 replies)

Which secular mob is this?
I mean, notwithstanding that you don't know what secularism is, could you elaborate a bit more on this mob and what it does?
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 9:57, closed)

I was wondering the same thing. He probably means obsessive atheists, like Richard Darkins. Not many of those aroound, really.

(Porcupine, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 11:25, closed)

And they don't really mob anyone.
Campainging against religious privilege isn't the same as trying to shut people up.

I think that gearanach is suffering from a bit of fatwa-envy, what say?
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 14:04, closed)

Question:
An atheist thinks society & humanity would be better off if we act decently to each other, look after the planet and generally not be cunts. He acts as such.

A Christian acts in a similar manner not because he has come to the innate thinking that it is a 'good' way to behave, but because an invisible super-being will punish him if he doesn't.

Which is the better person?
( da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 12:41, closed)

The one who buys me a pint?

( Pig Bodine., Sat 4 Apr 2015, 17:04, closed)

Ha!
you're welcome. ALthough, if asked for money by a homeless person I am quite likely to go and buy them something to eat. Its amazing the conversations that one starts.
(gearanach #wankwankwank, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 18:36, closed)

"How am I supposed to buy smack with a fucking pasty?"
Is how I assume these conversations normally start.
(Roger McGough-Pipe, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 19:14, closed)

It's a well known fact that all homeless people are smackheads.

( social hand grenade I was a lurker before you were a lurker, Sun 5 Apr 2015, 0:04, closed)

right there...
That bit about punishment - thats the bit which is all wrong. It is not about punishment - thats all a bit Old Testament and Jesus came to do away with 'the law'. I'm really not a Jew and still not a creationist. And whats more... I don't have to act in a particular way to get a 'reward', I merely have to be thankful for that which I already have. This is very misunderstood by most Christians let alone any atheists. It really is a lot less complicated than some would have you believe. If someone could just explain why a number of militant atheists see the need to be downright nasty then that would be great. However I'm still not going to apologise for the nasty Christians as I don't much like them either.
(gearanach #wankwankwank, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 17:06, closed)

Once again, these "militant atheists" are a figment of your imagination.
What's your opinion of the doctrine of the Elect, by the way? Or is yours the version of Christianity that doesn't require knowing much about Christianity?
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 18:10, closed)

Oooh
tricky one - right there with 'predestination'. Largely due to a Paul-ine construct in my theology which is personally gospel based rather than OT. Its the only place to start.
(gearanach #wankwankwank, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 18:32, closed)

Right...
so

Oh, sod it. I really can't be arsed with this, and would only get myself in trouble, since I'm almost as theologically incompetent as you.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 4 Apr 2015, 20:42, closed)

^^^Didn't realize that
other people had top secret access to Google, too.
(SlantedScience, Mon 6 Apr 2015, 0:13, closed)

That would be an ecumenical matter

(andythepieman Is surfing the waves of indifference on, Mon 6 Apr 2015, 9:27, closed)

"If someone could just explain why a number of militant atheists see the need to be downright nasty"
So, they make comments on the internet and write books laughing at superstition.

As opposed to (just off the top of my head) The crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, The persecution of the Catholics, Protestants, Huegenots, Orthodox, Amish, Mormons, Presbyterians or whichever flavour of Christianity is wrong at that moment in time.

This is without up-to-date Christian believers in caves in the US prepping for Doomsday (I'm looking at you Gunmetal!) who may occasionally decide to blow up a government building or two.

This however pales into insignificance next to the misery imposed on children by religious belief. Look at the Catholic Church. OK, every walk of life has it's kiddie fiddlers, but to move them around to cover up their crimes? The beatings, the children's homes, the having people locked up as insane for premarital sex, the Irish Laundries, and generally alienating people within their own society for any kind of deviation from the norm (homosexuality being the most obvious)

Oh, and while we are on it, you know those muslim women who dress head to toe in black, cover their heads with a scarf and are mocked for being extremely devout? At least they get married, unlike nuns who dress exactly the same and believe they are actually married to Jesus.

Religion is not a bunch of harmless, superstitious, Vicar of Dibley types; it is an evil cancer that should be stamped out hard wherever it rears its vicious, deluded, holier-than-though head.

TL;DR: Fuck right off. Then forgive me. Happy Easter.
( da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Sun 5 Apr 2015, 11:53, closed)

misunderstanding forgiveness
and how it works would be one thing. The vicious ad-hominen attack is quit another. Good luck with your short life, I sincerely hope its better than you imagine it to be.
(gearanach #wankwankwank, Sun 5 Apr 2015, 15:04, closed)