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I lived in fear of a Darth Vader-esque school dinner lady who stood me perpetually at the naughty table for refusing to eat mushy peas. An ordeal made worse after I was caught spooning the accursed veg into her wellies. Who, we ask, has wrecked your life?
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( , Thu 29 Apr 2010, 12:01)
I lived in fear of a Darth Vader-esque school dinner lady who stood me perpetually at the naughty table for refusing to eat mushy peas. An ordeal made worse after I was caught spooning the accursed veg into her wellies. Who, we ask, has wrecked your life?
Thanks to Philly G for the suggestion
( , Thu 29 Apr 2010, 12:01)
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Why don't I have a right to complain if I don't vote? Are you saying my vote is important enough to get exactly what I want, or if I vote for someone and they get in, but I don't like what they do, then it's my fault?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 9:59, 2 replies)
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 9:59, 2 replies)
Why do you find Conservative voters offensive?
Don't you think grouping an entire load of people, a large range of all kinds of people, in a negative manor, is more akin to bigotry than not?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:00, closed)
Don't you think grouping an entire load of people, a large range of all kinds of people, in a negative manor, is more akin to bigotry than not?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:00, closed)
Well, the ones I know are all self-aggrandised Tory boys.
All fwah fwah fwah damn your eyes you filthy socialist type of idiots. Or the curtain-twitching old women who would happily sit in the front row of a public execution sucking peppermints.
And, if you don't vote, then you're wasting your one opportunity to attempt to influence the system on the one chance we are given, a right that was fought for by our ancestors, and hard-won with much pain. It is a dis-service to yourself and their memory not to vote.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:06, closed)
All fwah fwah fwah damn your eyes you filthy socialist type of idiots. Or the curtain-twitching old women who would happily sit in the front row of a public execution sucking peppermints.
And, if you don't vote, then you're wasting your one opportunity to attempt to influence the system on the one chance we are given, a right that was fought for by our ancestors, and hard-won with much pain. It is a dis-service to yourself and their memory not to vote.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:06, closed)
'self-aggrandised', I'd say using that in your vocab in the context of this forum would make you look like the one with the self inflated ego.
You're using gross generalisations that you've based on your own predigest in order to belittle the voters of a political party, rather than the party themselves.
Maybe I respect the power of the vote to much to taint it with my uneducated viewpoint? I haven't educated myself on the various issues and manifestos and as such it would dishonour the point of the fight for the right to vote to begin with.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:36, closed)
You're using gross generalisations that you've based on your own predigest in order to belittle the voters of a political party, rather than the party themselves.
Maybe I respect the power of the vote to much to taint it with my uneducated viewpoint? I haven't educated myself on the various issues and manifestos and as such it would dishonour the point of the fight for the right to vote to begin with.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:36, closed)
My choice of vocab has nothing to do with the point I am making.
It's just that I may have swallowed a dictionary when I was a child. A very traumatic experience especially when trying to shit out the latter sections.
Anyways. Many people vote on the basis of what Rupert Murdoch tells them to do and that in and of itself is an insult to the ballot box and democracy, and to the memory of those that fought for and later on to preserve the right to vote. And my dislike of Tory voters is merely based on those I have met, and they are cunts of the highest order.
All in all I would say that not voting is far worse than voting Conservative though, as repulsive as the idea is.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:26, closed)
It's just that I may have swallowed a dictionary when I was a child. A very traumatic experience especially when trying to shit out the latter sections.
Anyways. Many people vote on the basis of what Rupert Murdoch tells them to do and that in and of itself is an insult to the ballot box and democracy, and to the memory of those that fought for and later on to preserve the right to vote. And my dislike of Tory voters is merely based on those I have met, and they are cunts of the highest order.
All in all I would say that not voting is far worse than voting Conservative though, as repulsive as the idea is.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:26, closed)
Waste of Time
I live in a "safe" seat. It doesn't matter who I vote for as the same MP will get in.
I intend to "spoil" my ballot paper, but that won't make any difference either.
Democracy only applies to people who live in marginals, roll on a hung parliament and PR.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:55, closed)
I live in a "safe" seat. It doesn't matter who I vote for as the same MP will get in.
I intend to "spoil" my ballot paper, but that won't make any difference either.
Democracy only applies to people who live in marginals, roll on a hung parliament and PR.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:55, closed)
That's a start
At least you're going to the polling station because a spoiled vote still counts as a vote.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 12:03, closed)
At least you're going to the polling station because a spoiled vote still counts as a vote.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 12:03, closed)
Basically, if you don't do anything about it, then you can't complain, because it's clearly not so bad that you're prepared to do something about it.
Hence, if you don't vote, then you can't complain (oh - except in that childish, teenage, "they're all bastards" manner, which is exactly and only that, and will be taken equally as seriously as a child not eating their supper then complaining that they're hungry), because you didn't even try to change things by using the power you had.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:37, closed)
Hence, if you don't vote, then you can't complain (oh - except in that childish, teenage, "they're all bastards" manner, which is exactly and only that, and will be taken equally as seriously as a child not eating their supper then complaining that they're hungry), because you didn't even try to change things by using the power you had.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:37, closed)
I think that's bollocks.
Every party has stuff that I disagree with, and have done stuff in the past that I shouldn't forgive, but I'd have to forgive their past and agree to the things I disagree with if I vote for them.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:45, closed)
Every party has stuff that I disagree with, and have done stuff in the past that I shouldn't forgive, but I'd have to forgive their past and agree to the things I disagree with if I vote for them.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:45, closed)
Then you need to get over yourself and accept that parties change, priorities change, and there's only one way that you can change things
Or, y'know, you can just sit there and whine about how it's all so unfair and that you don't like it, but just don't be surprised when people don't take you seriously when you do so.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:50, closed)
Or, y'know, you can just sit there and whine about how it's all so unfair and that you don't like it, but just don't be surprised when people don't take you seriously when you do so.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:50, closed)
What? How is that even relievent to what I just said?
I shouldn't vote because I've not educated myself on the issue enough, I'm saying that I don't agree with any party on every issue, so would be voting for something I don't believe in.
Or is this one of those "Woooh, I'm so politicly aware, I'm voting so I can look down on people who don't" things?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:58, closed)
I shouldn't vote because I've not educated myself on the issue enough, I'm saying that I don't agree with any party on every issue, so would be voting for something I don't believe in.
Or is this one of those "Woooh, I'm so politicly aware, I'm voting so I can look down on people who don't" things?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:58, closed)
No, I think this is one of those...
..."do something to try and make a difference, rather than act like an apathetic pedantic tosspot" kind of things.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:00, closed)
..."do something to try and make a difference, rather than act like an apathetic pedantic tosspot" kind of things.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:00, closed)
Why is it down to me to 'make a difference' ?
Would you like to choose my vote for me? is that what you want? You can have it if you want.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:01, closed)
Would you like to choose my vote for me? is that what you want? You can have it if you want.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:01, closed)
Alrighty, fine. But..
...agree that abstaining from voting comes with the caveat that whatever happens over the next 4 years (that is politically influenced) is absolutely fine with you, irrespective of what actually occurs.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:06, closed)
...agree that abstaining from voting comes with the caveat that whatever happens over the next 4 years (that is politically influenced) is absolutely fine with you, irrespective of what actually occurs.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:06, closed)
No one's asking you to agree with every party on every issue.
They're asking if you WANT - to assess them and vote for who you feel is best to do the job.
Wrap it up cynically if you like - "who do you think is the least bad?"
Either way, either do something to change the system (or not, if you like it how it is), or accept what you're given.
If you don't say what you want, don't complain about what you get. No one's telepathic.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:07, closed)
They're asking if you WANT - to assess them and vote for who you feel is best to do the job.
Wrap it up cynically if you like - "who do you think is the least bad?"
Either way, either do something to change the system (or not, if you like it how it is), or accept what you're given.
If you don't say what you want, don't complain about what you get. No one's telepathic.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:07, closed)
What a load of old...
...bollocks.
Effectively you're restricting yourself to only ever voting for a party and a candidate which not only do you agree with 100%, but also which has never in the history of it's politics done anything which it now considers contrary to it's aims.
Never gonna happen. The point others are making is that if you don't bother to exercise the tiny bit of power you have over the future of the country, then you are being a tad hypocritical if you then moan about the state of said country. Bit like never tidying you're flat and then whinging that it's untidy.
Also, lack of knowledge of the policies and pledges of the major parties is not a valid reason to avoid voting - it's only once every 4 years: get off your fat arse and find out, work out which party - on balance - you believe to be best for the country (rather than just your pocket), and whatever happens over the next 4 years at least you'll know you did what you thought was best.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:56, closed)
...bollocks.
Effectively you're restricting yourself to only ever voting for a party and a candidate which not only do you agree with 100%, but also which has never in the history of it's politics done anything which it now considers contrary to it's aims.
Never gonna happen. The point others are making is that if you don't bother to exercise the tiny bit of power you have over the future of the country, then you are being a tad hypocritical if you then moan about the state of said country. Bit like never tidying you're flat and then whinging that it's untidy.
Also, lack of knowledge of the policies and pledges of the major parties is not a valid reason to avoid voting - it's only once every 4 years: get off your fat arse and find out, work out which party - on balance - you believe to be best for the country (rather than just your pocket), and whatever happens over the next 4 years at least you'll know you did what you thought was best.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 10:56, closed)
You can indeed. Whether or not it's valid or not is a different matter.
I can complain that I can't fly unaided.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:08, closed)
I can complain that I can't fly unaided.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:08, closed)
My right moan...
..was removed as I had a lump on it. My left moan has swollen to fill the available space.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:18, closed)
..was removed as I had a lump on it. My left moan has swollen to fill the available space.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:18, closed)
because there are people voting BNP and want "the blacks" removed from britain
I on the other hand am not a racist cunt, and the reasons I'm not voting are out of my control...
are you saying that the racist's argument is more valid than mine?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:19, closed)
I on the other hand am not a racist cunt, and the reasons I'm not voting are out of my control...
are you saying that the racist's argument is more valid than mine?
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:19, closed)
No, but I'm saying it will be more successful in being heard.
That's why you should vote. THere are 99 nice people, and 1 BNP person.
If all the nice people don't vote, and just complain that they're not voting because they pay tax, and that one BNP person votes, then those 100 people will be represented by, and thus assumed to be, a BNP group.
That's how it works.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:21, closed)
That's why you should vote. THere are 99 nice people, and 1 BNP person.
If all the nice people don't vote, and just complain that they're not voting because they pay tax, and that one BNP person votes, then those 100 people will be represented by, and thus assumed to be, a BNP group.
That's how it works.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:21, closed)
no no no...
I didn't say that I'm not voting BECAUSE I pay tax - I'm saying I have the right to moan (between elections) because I pay tax, regardless of whether I vote.
Let's not talk cross purposes here (because we're getting off point - or at least my original point) I think everyone SHOULD vote - I just don't think people should dismiss their views just because they didn't vote...
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:27, closed)
I didn't say that I'm not voting BECAUSE I pay tax - I'm saying I have the right to moan (between elections) because I pay tax, regardless of whether I vote.
Let's not talk cross purposes here (because we're getting off point - or at least my original point) I think everyone SHOULD vote - I just don't think people should dismiss their views just because they didn't vote...
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:27, closed)
Ah - icy.
To a certain extent I agree with you, except I think everyone should vote and should be obliged to vote.
But yes - I'll listen to people who didn't vote if they're prepared to offer a substantive alternative.
Just complaining that they don't like whoever got in, however, I will treat with short shrift.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:30, closed)
To a certain extent I agree with you, except I think everyone should vote and should be obliged to vote.
But yes - I'll listen to people who didn't vote if they're prepared to offer a substantive alternative.
Just complaining that they don't like whoever got in, however, I will treat with short shrift.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:30, closed)
I think that's what I was trying to say.
But writing this at work, dealing with idiots both around me and on the end of the phone tends to sap the mind somewhat.
( , Thu 6 May 2010, 11:33, closed)
But writing this at work, dealing with idiots both around me and on the end of the phone tends to sap the mind somewhat.
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