Hang about
Not eating meat, or wearing leather, etc, because of a belief that animals are entitled to not have to die for it, is a stupid reason?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:25, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

yep
it's natural. We've just taken it further because we have the ability to do so.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Elaborate

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I'm afraid I'm right with Vipros there

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:28, Reply)

I think you and I have had this discussion
If I were vegetarian and you tried to get me to eat meat my reply would be curt in the extreme
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:31, Reply)

I wouldn't shove meat down a vegetarian's throat
and the one time I changed a vegetarian I was remorseful in the extreme. I still think they're wrong though
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Two questions
Why do you think they're wrong? And why did you do it if it made you so remorseful?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:36, Reply)

because she can't back down when she thinks she is right
;-)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:39, Reply)

You may have a point :)
I only did it as a joke, but because he was going out with me and mumbling about love he did it.

Edit: to clarify I didn't do anything really horrible, like ask him not to be a vegetarian, or threaten to stop dating him. I did offer him a piece of one of the best steaks I've ever had.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:40, Reply)

Fair enough
If it was only an offer then it's his decision whether to stick by his beliefs or try to impress a girl
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:45, Reply)

I still felt terrible
because we split up a month or two later
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:47, Reply)

Well, I wouldn't offer Ms Foxtrot meat
because I know her well enough to know it would be faintly insulting. But I fucking well SHOULD know that much by now. You weren't to know how he'd react, really
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:53, Reply)

If God didn't want us to eat animals
he wouldn't have made them so tasty.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:31, Reply)

you've surely heard the whole of the argument before
eating meat is a natural thing, a lot of other animals do it.

Mankind got where it is by adaptation and by making use of the resources around us. Animals are one of those things.

I don't buy bacon from Denmark for example, because they treat the pigs rather badly, but I don't believe that we are wrong to eat them at all.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Yes I have heard them all before
an you make a good point about evolution, however as independent people we are entitled to individual opinions. It's no more stupid to avoid meat because of a belief that animals are entitled to live than it is to have faith in the teachings of the Bible. Although I imagine you'd be quite happy to tell someone they were stupid to believe in god too, so this may be an "agree to disagree" thing
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:36, Reply)

I don't object to people having their opinions
as long as they don't object to my opinion that they are stupid and/or delusional
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:39, Reply)

So you expect people to be fine with you calling them stupid?

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Of course. He is VIPROS! Hear him roar!

(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:44, Reply)

He's lucky that vegetarians are usually scrawny wimps, eh

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:48, Reply)

*shrugs*
most people are stupid

seriously though, I have what is commonly referred to as tact. Even if I do think someone is stupid, or don't agree with their views I don't necessarily feel the need to call them out on it. Particularly if it has nothing to do with how I interact with them.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:48, Reply)

*tries to remember that B3ta is no place for tact*
Otherwise you'd have disproved yourself above, there are at least three vegetarians posting at the minute. It is hard to argue with your point about gross human stupidity, though. Too much evidence backing it up.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:52, Reply)

I am under no illusions that I would persuade them to change
and nor would I try. I'd inform them that I think they are missing out, but no more than that really.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:57, Reply)

I wouldn't
Red rag to a bull. You'll end up in a protracted discussion about the nutritional benefits of various grains and pulses you've never heard of (best-case scenario) or animal rights
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:59, Reply)

thing is
I don't have a problem with all the grains and pulses and stuff. Things like quinoa are quite nice.

But meat is fucking lovely.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:02, Reply)

I know, I know
I actually had quinoa for lunch yesterday. Simmered it for a while with some diced brocolli and boullion. It was really nice. But I'd rather have had SHARK

The problem with living with and cooking for a vegetarian is that meat is considered poor form. I do find it heightens my appreciation of it when I get it though
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:08, Reply)

my ex was mostly a veggie as well
although she did eat fish, and if pushed chicken. She just didn't like meat, but unfortunately for her was allergic to peppers, and hated things like aubergine.

If she hadn't been a big fan of fish I couldn't have gone out with her for 2 and a half years.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:17, Reply)

the difference is though
on b3ta everything is fair game. My political sympathies, Bella's vegetarianism, AA's latent tranny status
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:58, Reply)

indeed
it's refreshing to have a place where you don't have to hold back. I wouldn't have to with my friends, but we are a fairly homogenous bunch when it comes to our views, so I don't have to.


(strikethrough away)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:59, Reply)

That said, we seem to have managed a serious discussion
in which no-one called each other a cunt. This place has CHANGED
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:02, Reply)

you've just never had a prolonged serious discussion with me
you cunt
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Probably not, no
Shitbag
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:09, Reply)

*sighs* I'm tired so I'll go for the easy one
genous +sexual
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:02, Reply)

My mate is a death metaller.
And apparently part of the scene at the moment is a drift towards militant veganism. He has countered this with a t-shirt carrying a representation of human dentition and arrows pointing to the canines with a legend of "Explain this Motherfuckers." I lolled.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Has anyone countered him with
A t-shirt with a picture of a brain on it, saying "explain this, motherfucker"?
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Tue 15 Feb 2011, 10:56, Reply)

Hahaha
Excellent work
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Tue 15 Feb 2011, 11:00, Reply)

That would be pointless.
I said he's a death metaller. His counter argument consists of one word. "Pandas". As far as he is concerned that's it. This also makes me laugh but mainly at his simplicity.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Tue 15 Feb 2011, 12:32, Reply)