oh god yes
at least there is sex in sex and the city.

when was the last time being a trekkie got anyone laid?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:22, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

But sex and the city was one of the most horrifically cringeworthy pieces of televison ever created
any woman who watched that and didn't feel degraded and offended really needs to look again, look at themselves and then realise that the reason gender equality hasn't happened yet is because of people like them. They also need to stop having sex with Agnostic Antichrist.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:26, Reply)

Wow
I actually agree with most of that.

EDIT: Editlawls
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:27, Reply)

That's a bit harsh of you to agree with my comments on AA.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:28, Reply)

She's humped him and dumped him
I just wish she'd confirm the rumours concerning his microknob
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:32, Reply)

Joking aside
You make a very good point about SATC and its ilk. The fact that women are happy to accept such base and offensive stereotyping, and even embrace it, means it is further propagated into everyday encounters.

Plus, it's really, really fucking stupid.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:33, Reply)

it's just a comedy show
anyone who watches it and takes it seriously deserves a slap.

it's fine to hate it!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:42, Reply)

It's not a comedy show at all, there is nothing funny about it.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:45, Reply)

This.
It's four foul harridans ticking every offensive female stereotype box they could find.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:49, Reply)

It's basically a programme about three women who are too old/ginger/horsefaced to be prostitutes, so they give it away for free
and Kristin Davis, who really could charge for it but is obviously too stupid
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:59, Reply)

pfffffft
gender inequality will never happen because there will always be sexist men at the top, and there will always be women who actively want to stay at home and spend their husband's money all day long. this seems to happen even to career women when they start pushing out the crotchfruit!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:31, Reply)

Surely part of equality is the equality for either parent to take either role?
And no, the sexiest men are not always at the top.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:34, Reply)

i am just basing it on my friends
and their parents. certainly out of all my friends to have had kids, it is the woman who has not gone back to work. and hardly any of my friends' mothers worked when we were growing up, although mine did. this is usually because their husband earns more money, but quite a few of them have said to me that something mushy just happens inside your head when you have one child, so that all you want to do is have MOAR BABIES and MAKE THE HOUSE ALL HOMELY-LIKE.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:37, Reply)

You're confusing wanting to look after your family
with women doing the identical job as men being paid less money purely because of their lack of a penis.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:38, Reply)

i can only speak about the people i work with and/or know well
and this is what has happened: for those with families, ambition gets replaced with home-making. for those without, the pay is equal.

anything outside my friends and colleagues, i don't know enough about it to comment. not that this usually stops me.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:40, Reply)

Brilliant Swipey, absolutely brilliant.
I bet a few minority groups wish they had you on their side too. "Look people, you're never going to stop being treated unequally, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST DIFFERENT! Now just go back to your shit lives, there's good chaps"
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:35, Reply)

there should be no such thing as a minority group
it is this sort of thinking that causes problems in the first place. i don't give a fuck what other women want to do. i wanted a career, i worked my arse off, i got a bloody good one. anyone else who wants it can work for their own, regardless of whether they are male, female, gay, straight, black, white or sky blue pink with yellow dots on them. for the record, i have refused to join any of the female initiatives at my firm. i resent being given a leg-up just because i am female. it should be about my legal and client skills, nothing more, nothing less.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:39, Reply)

Well done for you
But what about outside of your highly skilled bubble? A 25% pay disparity can't all be to do with child-induced lack of ambition, surely?
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:43, Reply)

NO!
She doesn't know anybody paid less than her and she doesn't know any women paid less than men for the same job. Therefore it DOES NOT HAPPEN.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:44, Reply)

i wasn't born into the bubble though
i won a scholarship when i was 9 that paid for all my education, and then worked my arse off to get good enough grades to do what i do now.

there must be a disparity, as it seems to be a well-established fact, but it is not something that i've ever come across in practice. the only thing i have come across in real life is the fact that there are very few female partners in law, accountancy etc, primarily because a large number of them give up their careers when they have a family. a fact which everyone recognises tacitly, openly says "we must fix this", but realistically can't because you can't work the sort of hours that i work (eg 2am last night, will be post midnight tonight) if you have kids - it's not fair on them.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:49, Reply)

Your argument is based on highly skilled careers
What about other careers? What about the fact that women are routinely discriminated against before their employment is even commenced? What about discrimination in the law, in having interests represented or anything else like that?
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:51, Reply)

This reads as a militant lesbians post
USE SOME FUCKING DEODORANT
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:53, Reply)

I can't imagine AA really enjoyed getting close to her
unkempt pubic hair.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:54, Reply)

Deeply matted pubic hair
Level 10 Didactic Wiccan stage has been attained !1!!
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:56, Reply)

Hahah

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:58, Reply)

MOUSTACHES DON'T SUIT WOMEN OF ANY AGE

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:54, Reply)

that's my point
i can ONLY talk about those careers. it's all i know about. i can tell you why there are very few women at the top in those careers, and i have done. more girls go into law than boys. more trainees are female than boys. but the partnership ratio is about 20:80 female:male. because the women leave the career and don't come back.

i can't talk about other careers because apart from a student stint behind the bar, i've never been involved in them.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:55, Reply)

You are now arguing that you can make no kind of comment on the original point
because you know nothing about it?

We know that, it's quite clear from your posts, what we we're trying to point out is that outside of your little bubble of perfectly equal pay, there are lots of women who are paid less for doing the same job.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:01, Reply)

ok
so what are YOU doing about it?

posting on an internet forum but carrying on taking more pay than a woman anyway?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:06, Reply)

I also work in a company which pays women and men equally
for doing the same job.

This started because I pointed out that SATC was profoundly offensive against women, and I will stand by that comment.

I never said you ought to be ought marching in the defence of equal pay, but I would like to think someone as well educated as you would have been at least aware of the problem, as I am.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:10, Reply)

so you are aware of it
you're just happily doing nothing about it? shame on you, al...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:12, Reply)

*bangs head on desk and cries*
Can I see your tits now?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:18, Reply)

i think you're just about the only guy on here who hasn't
in all fairness
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:21, Reply)

I hate being a minority.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:27, Reply)

life is tough as a minority
i think we agree on that
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:35, Reply)

No women work in my industry
I'm more equal than you.
( Kroney, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:12, Reply)

I can tell you a fair bit about gender discrimination in the fucking law.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:59, Reply)

Did I say anything about the discrimination in the law always being anti-women?

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:02, Reply)

It was implied and don't try and deny it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:05, Reply)

Then may I clarify by amending my point to "in the criminal law"?

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:07, Reply)

Best stick to pullin pints love
Remember the large holes in your general knowledge we were on about earlier...
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:12, Reply)

Probably wouldn't apply to this
Given that I've studied law, and have actually specifically studied gender discrimination in both family law and criminal law in order to contrast the two.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:20, Reply)

Get you !!1! You've studied law, brilliant, have a biscuit, no have two.
I studied GCSE maths, but that don't make me a mathmatician.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:22, Reply)

I'm not surprised
Given that you have no idea how large a hole would have to be in order to drive a bus through. You probably should avoid driving buses too.
(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:24, Reply)

Well yeah the hole would generally be two and half meters being a standard bus width, in your case we'll go for a doubledecker height

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:32, Reply)

But Monty
what about women really only being good for sewing and playing with kittens?

What about THAT? These lesbians are getting me down.
( Kroney, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:08, Reply)

i'm allergic to cats
where does that leave me?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:09, Reply)

Sewing.
You see, isn't it so much easier when you let us men do your thinking for you?
( Kroney, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:11, Reply)

Real lesbians are never like the ones on the films.
It's false fucking advertising.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:11, Reply)

I've seen real lesbians.
*shudders*
( Kroney, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:12, Reply)

Please read that back to yourself.
How can you not have "any such thing as a minority group".

If we all started off equal then yes, anyone regardless of ethnicity or sexuality could achieve anything that anyone else could.

But we don't start off equal, so to start saying "You know the problem with all those black kids from the deprived areas is that they just don't work hard enough" is just racist.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:43, Reply)

Just because you have a really small penis
and your wife APPARENTLY has wonky tits, doesn't give you the right to speak for minority groups.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:47, Reply)

Wonky tits?
Is this Al's gravitational pull or some kind of medical defect?
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:51, Reply)

There's not point in trying to stop this one now
it's already got legs.

Monty look at this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnPJmDc0b_M

at 0.33, that's what I would look like if I was black.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:53, Reply)

Her tits have legs?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:54, Reply)

Legs with abnormally short thighs.
Musky legs.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:02, Reply)

Hahahah put your shirt back on you fat black-Al.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:57, Reply)

i am saying that there SHOULD be no such thing as minority groups
people should be assessed on ability and effort and no more. yes it is hard if you are born into a deprived area. but at some point you've got to take responsibility and if your parents didn't, that sucks, but you either stay in a shithole or you work your way out of it (like my dad did).
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:53, Reply)

Your dad was a white man
Growing up at the time he did meant he had it the easiest he could possibly have had it.

You are a white middle class girl so you've had it pretty much as easy as he did.

And I say this as a white middle class man who also had it very easy to get where I am today.

There is no comparison to my nice upbringing in a big house in the country to being raised in a poor area of a large city and I wouldn't pretend to have any idea how much harder it would have been if that was the case.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:58, Reply)

Yes but her dad
is northern, Al.

A real one too - not like you.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:01, Reply)

it might have been easiER for me, this is probably true, but i can't undo or control that
however, i wouldn't say that getting 1 out of 25 scholarships when i was 9 (about 10,000 kids took that exam) or getting 1 place out of 150 to get into school (about 2000 kids took that exam) or slogging my guts out to get A*s and As at GCSE and A-level and a good degree or getting a training contract (about 2,000 applicants go for each training contract) was EASY!

however, it's also about what you do when you get to where you are. you and i both repay the system with taxes which helps people in poorer areas (although not in the most efficient way imho) we are both good citizens, what else can we do?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:05, Reply)

Stop watching Sex and The City, please.

(BelladonnaAnodyne Melissa's gonna wet herself, I swear..., Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:09, Reply)

ha
i have actually only ever seen about 2 episodes if that helps...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:10, Reply)

Al I agree with your points above
things aren't right or fixed yet. But I have to point out that just because he was white didn't necessarily make her father's path easier. The disadvantage of class as versus colour is far more marked. It's about money and its distribution rather than skin colour.

You're also seemingly rather determined to paint the middle class with a massive brush as having had it easy. It's just not true. I'd be fucking happy right now if it was true.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:13, Reply)

I'm prett y sure that forty or fifty odd years ago
a black person from the north of England would have had a far harder time making a lot of money than a white person.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:17, Reply)

A black person from the north of England:
Christ how unlucky can one person be?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:20, Reply)

This is quite probably true
but that's quite a long time ago. You can't dismiss hardship but saying 'oh well some other people have had it harder'
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:20, Reply)

I'm not trying to dismiss it
I don't really see where you're coming from here.

My initial argument was that Swipey has dismissed "minority groups" as requiring any sort of extra help because all they should do is work harder.

I'm just saying that the reality of the situation is that if you don't give people opportunities then, although some people will always work to better themselves, a lot of people either can't or won't and you will end up a big group of people with no education and no prospects and simply relying on benefits.

Oh hang on, it's pretty much what has happened.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:25, Reply)

nooooooo
i meant there SHOULD be no such thing. i didn't say it doesn't happen in practice!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:34, Reply)

This is getting like your proclamation
that the middle east should just stop being nasty and just be nice instead.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:42, Reply)

I don't think so. My best friend was ditched by her parents when she was three days old because of her disability, raised by her grandparents.
Her mom went on to marry someone else and have two other kids, neither have jobs, one has a baby, the other dropped out of high school, while my best friend could have done the same thing she graduated, went to college, graduated from college and has a good job.
Pretty good for someone from a family that's considered poor white trash.
( Lisette von Falcon, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 15:54, Reply)

There are always people who can work their way out from hard beginings
and equally there are lots of privileged people who piss their opportunities up the wall.

But it takes a lot more effort to get where your friend from her start in life.

This is really a whole different argument to the point I started off making, which is that Sex and the City is extremely sexist and actually hampers equalty.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:14, Reply)

shouldn't she be washing her hair right now or something?

( Lisette von Falcon, Thu 3 Mar 2011, 16:19, Reply)