Disappointment
would be defined, at the moment, by being in Yuma AZ, just across the border from Mexico, going into a Mexican restaurant and finding out that you cook better Mexican food than the Mexicans do. And I'm German/Irish.

What has both amused and disappointed you lately?
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Mon 21 Mar 2011, 21:54, 79 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Americans ten generations removed referring to their European backgrounds as their nationality
The very same people are more than happy to ram the stars and stripes down your throat. What the fuck is that all about?
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:28, Reply)

I had an argument with a former colleague
who was convinced she was Scottish. Technically, as all of her great grandparents emigrated to New Zealand from Scotland she is genetically more Scottish than I as I'm an English/Scottish halfling. But she did not understand even slightly why I thought growing up in Scotland made me Scottish and her growing up in New Zealand made her a Kiwi.
( djtrialprice, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:35, Reply)

I had this discussion with the missus the other day as well.
She identifies herself as a Latina, and legally she can claim to be as her mother is Mexican. But she herself was raised in South Carolina, and her parents both grew up in San Diego, so she's as Mexican as I am Irish. Culturally we're from SC and NY respectively, but we still acknowledge where our ancestors came from.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:59, Reply)

Modern world is complicated
People move about too much. Nationalities, meh. Kind of cool to think about all the traditions that go all around the world.
( djtrialprice, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:06, Reply)

Coal, bread, salt.
CANDLE?
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:10, Reply)

Actually, third generation.
Great grandparents on Dad's side came from North Ireland. Great grandparents on Mom's side came from the Black Forest. Influences from both nationalities still in evidence to some degree, as Mom cooks excellent German food and Dad still wears orange on St. Patty's Day.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:47, Reply)

Orange?
Have you been sniffing glue?
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:49, Reply)

His lot bat for the other religion babe
And enjoy a march or two. And Ulster says MOOO!
( djtrialprice, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:54, Reply)

MOOOOOOO!
"Jim's fexed et for ya Liz!"
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:01, Reply)

It's a family tradition now.
Dad tells me that his grandfather always marched in the Orangemen's Parade and wore something orange on St. Patty's Day. Over here, at least, it's not uncommon- I saw a lot of Syracuse University shirts being worn in Las Vegas on the 17th.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:55, Reply)

Big no-no here.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:58, Reply)

Where would that be?

( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:59, Reply)

Liverpool.
Your Orange day is 12th July.
St Patrick is Green. Emerald Isle innit.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:00, Reply)

I don't think it quite qualifies you for a nationality
based on the fact your mum can cook sauerkraut. And the orange of St Pats day is just bizarre
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:59, Reply)

Ancestry, not nationality.
Over here that counts for a lot, actually. Go to South Boston and tell them they're not Irish. It will not be pretty.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:02, Reply)

Really?
that is pretty ridiculous especially for a nation obsessed with being American
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:03, Reply)

Careful now.
Not all of us are flag waving zealots- in fact, the people flying American flags from their houses are a very small minority. Most of the rest of us just sigh and roll our eyes most of the time.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:12, Reply)

But it is no less daft than hankering after a country most of them have never visited.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:14, Reply)

I think I start to see the root of the misunderstanding here.
Over here, to be American means to be a legal citizen of the US, just as one would expect. But we're also considered to be the world's melting pot, with people coming from everywhere to become Americans. So people generally give a nod to their ancestry by calling themselves African American, Irish American, Mexican American, German American, Italian American and so on. Usually this is done by people whose families have strong traditions around their ancestral origins.

If you go to NYC, for instance, you'll find that the people in Little Italy may have a New Yawk accent but refer to themselves as Italian. As mentioned elsewhere, the people in south Boston take extreme pride in their Irish ancestry. I would say that the vast majority over here have a pretty good idea of where their ancestors came from, and identify somewhat with that group.

So for me, saying that I'm German/Irish means that I have ancestors who came relatively recently from those countries. It's a verbal shorthand of sorts. No, I have never been to, much less lived in, either country- I'm an American. But I acknowledge that some of my family's influences came from there, just as my friend Dan Ribuffo's family have a lot of Italian traditions despite having been generations removed from Europe.

It's not a longing for those places, it's a nod toward what influences run in our families.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:27, Reply)

That actually makes a bit of sense
now I have a bit more context. It's differentiating between "I'm Irish" meaning I'm from Ireland and I'm obviously American, and not claiming otherwise, but with Irish roots.
( djtrialprice, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 2:04, Reply)

Thing that irks me more than them 'claiming' to be Irish
Was the fact that for years, Irish bars would pass around the collecting tin for 'the struggle' and then they all bleated like they were the first people in the world to experience terrorism after 9/11.

If these people hadn't directly funded terror, I might have a small bit of sympathy.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:05, Reply)

Do Boston Irish people go for orange on St. Patrick's day?

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:05, Reply)

I'm not certain of there
but Tipperary Hill in Syracuse would often have people wearing orange on the 17th, just not many of them. But because they were expressing their respect for their Irish ancestry, it was accepted without problems.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:10, Reply)

Without problem?
Or without any understanding of what it represents in current times?
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:15, Reply)

William of Orange was Dutch
and I think the Orange Lodge largely celebrate the fact that the English/Scottish protestants defeated the Catholics in Ireland.
Someone Irish might have to correct me here.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:16, Reply)

Yup, orange is a Proddydog colour.
After William of Orange. The Dutch were very Protestant.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:21, Reply)

Do orangemen consider themselves Irish?
There are none in Eire are there?
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:24, Reply)

Orangemen consider themselves British
you don't get any in the Republic. Anybody wearing orange on St Patricks is really weirdly deficient in any knowledge of Irish history as opposed to Northern Irish
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:25, Reply)

Loon?
Want to make a claim on being British?
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:26, Reply)

As I recall
I do have some ancestors who came from England, Scotland and Wales, but that was about eight generations or more back. My maternal grandmother has traced her ancestry back to the Mayflower.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:29, Reply)

But if you are of a religious 'bent' (rather than bender! :) )
You could go back to Adam and Eve and then lay claim to global ancestry.

There has got to be more to it than being proud of your ancestry, as this strange trait seems to be linked mostly with Americans. Whilst I agree your country is a melting post of different backgrounds, the same could be said of any continent, things are pretty diverse in Britain.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:36, Reply)

True enough that you're a diverse lot
but your country has been around a lot longer than this one has.

Consider: when people immigrate, it tends to be human nature to congregate with others from your homeland, right? So you have areas of your towns that have a higher percentage of Polish or Pakistanis than people whose great ancestors all lived in that area. I would guess that if you asked people who were second or third generation from Pakistan, they'd probably identify in some way with being of Pakistani origin.

Now look at America. The Europeans pretty much laid the Native Americans to waste and started filling up the country. People poured into here over the past couple hundred years, and tended to keep to their own. Ethnic groups tend to not mix very much, as I'm sure you've noticed. Over here they considered themselves as different from the people who had already been here for a few generations, descended from Western Europe and Britain, so they started identifying themselves by their ancestral origins. I would say that it's a trait that's about as old as this country itself. For a fact it's the way of most people over here.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:47, Reply)

To a point yes.
But Britain would fit within the landmass of California, by some margin, so it isn't a fair comparison.

We are also an island race.

Fair enough if we agree that American was founded in 1776? But surely that is long enough to establish your own identity?
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:00, Reply)

We do have an identity.
And that's as a cultural melting pot. *laugh*

Seriously, though, there are parts of this country that show pretty strong influences by various ethnic groups. Another example is the northern Midwest- Minnesota and the Dakotas. Ever seen the movie "Fargo"? Did you note their rather Norwegian-sounding accents? They really do talk like that there. And lutefisk is actually pretty common out there as well. Garrison Keillor exaggerates it a bit at times, but not by that much.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:09, Reply)

I thought so...
Ta.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:27, Reply)

You do!
There are some lodges in forrin parts like Donegal (so still Ulster). They have a wee walk around with a band on the twelfth and nobody really minds. Pretty much how it goes in my parents' neck of the woods too.

Orange on St. Patrick's day is insane though.

Edit: Rossnowlagh, I think.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 10:45, Reply)

It would be considered antagonistic here,
Like when me and my dad were watching an orange parade because it was en route to my nana's and my dad didn't want me to dislike anyone when I was growing up. But I was dressed head-to-foot in green.
We didn't do it on purpose, but we were on the Catholic leg of the journey and there was I in green. It did not go down well.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:04, Reply)

I had the full-on Catholic education.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:05, Reply)

As did I.
-guilt fives-
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:07, Reply)

Taught by nuns and everything.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:08, Reply)

There were only a few nuns left by the time I got to my school.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:10, Reply)

And then there were nun?

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:15, Reply)

Zackly.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:16, Reply)

Ah not that full on.
State school, prayers 4 times a day, mass on Fridays, school pilgrimages to Wales...
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:10, Reply)

Mine was a state school.
Although I am probably of a generation where the teaching qualification were less important than someones commitment to the church.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:13, Reply)

Ma was educated by nuns, in a convent and all.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:17, Reply)

They could be quite violent.
A strange breed, your average nun.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:25, Reply)

Religion and celibacy will do that to a person.
I don't get many of the aspects of Catholicism.
(berk, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:28, Reply)

No.
But then I've of the opinion that no parent has any right to choose a childs religion.

Having had catholisim forced on me as a child, and with me being an overly committed atheist, I'm annoyed that I was forced to waste Sunday mornings in mass.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:38, Reply)

Mine got me baptised and I made my Communion
but after that they said it was up to me, because they'd stopped going to church and I went with my nana. I stopped when I was 10/11.
I asked why they took it that far when they weren't religious themselves and my mum said "Just in case..." like it was insurance for my soul!
My dad used to whisper in my ear about the Vatican playing the stockmarket with what we'd just put in the collection plate.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:43, Reply)

My folks still go.
I was put through both primary and secondary education and was confirmed.

Any idea how I get excommunicated?
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:47, Reply)

I didn't get confirmed.
Nana goes but she's dead cool and knows that half of the shit the Pope spouts about condoms and 'oh I didn't know there were paedos' and the homophobia is balls.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:50, Reply)

My folks like to 'believe the bits that appeal to them'
They don't even get any comfort from their belief, it's more of a social club to them (I think).
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:01, Reply)

I am culturally a Catholic.
Because of my family and my education and stuff.
But I didn't go and shout obscenities at the Lodge like the other kids round my way.
I don't like how they seem to be celebrating negative things and being all antagonistic, but each sees his own side and no other. My dad will play the Sash on harmonica for my cousin's father-in-law when he visits, as a joke. Liverpool's not as sectarian as it was.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:09, Reply)

3rd generation?
So what you're saying is that you are neither Irish or German.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:59, Reply)

My mum refers to herself as English
and both her parents were born in Ireland and lived there for a long time. I know my heritage but I wouldn't say I was actually Irish.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:07, Reply)

Correct answer!
I too, had (on my fathers side) Irish grand-parents.

I'm English.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:07, Reply)

It's because we have history of our own haha

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:09, Reply)

I'm not sure if I'm British or English
I'd most likely say British. My dad is half-German, too.

AND YOU DON'T HEAR ME SAYING I'M IRISH/GERMAN
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:11, Reply)

It's easy for me.
Despite my Irish/German/Italian heritage, I'm just Scouse.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:17, Reply)

English dear
It's pronounced English.
( djtrialprice, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:25, Reply)

It's not like that!
We're different!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:26, Reply)

Subhuman, more like.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:28, Reply)

At times, aye ;)

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:30, Reply)

Cunt, actually
If you're a prod from 'north ireland' that makes you Scottish if anything. I hope a second generation Mick stabs you up next time you're south side Boston
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:38, Reply)

*picks up handbag from table and clutches it to chest*

Oooooooooooo!

*replaces handbag and considers self to be well told*
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:51, Reply)

No but seriously, Eire does not do Orange.
Your ancestor would much prefer you to wear your orange on the 12th July than get down with all the Paddys.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:54, Reply)

I may take up that habit, then.
I've always gone along with Dad's tradition. Dunno, maybe Great Grandpa was a shit stirrer. For a fact what I hear of him is pretty amazing anyway. Given the family tendency toward being a bit on the poking-badgers-with-spoons side, it wouldn't surprise me.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 0:59, Reply)

Americans are embarrassingly shit, it's thankful for your reluctance to leave your shores

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:10, Reply)

I was curious
and glanced at your profile. As all of your messages seem to be nothing but complaints and slagging off others, I'm not terribly moved by your opinions.

(Well, my bowels moved a bit, but I'm not sure that I would credit you with that.)
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:16, Reply)

You sounded American to me
I'm disappointed I have succumbed to manflu. I was amused I totally whupped Devil In Tights arse at pool even though he was taking the piss out of my boxers. Which were orange in colour, not pink as he claimed.
( djtrialprice, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:29, Reply)

Peach.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:38, Reply)

You eyeing my boxers?
Disgraceful.
( djtrialprice, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:41, Reply)

I was on about yer arris.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 21 Mar 2011, 23:43, Reply)

Watching the Runaways at the moment
it's quite good
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:05, Reply)

I'm thinking of going to bed.
I'm watching some Heston Blumenthal thing I recorded.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:06, Reply)

Is it good?

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:13, Reply)

The problem with television cooking shows.
Is that you can't taste it.

It is worth watching on 4OD though, the show is called Heston's Chocolate Factory Feast.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:19, Reply)

Mm chocolate
sounds delicious though.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 22 Mar 2011, 1:25, Reply)