Monty
Surely everyone is entitled to a private life?

Even if you are a shit beakering, philandering son of a cunt?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:17, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

I'm not so sure about this.
My point is that if Andrew Marr really gave a toss about his family he wouldn't have had an affair. He did, so tough shit for being found out, you big-eared 'Martin Clunes after 6 months at Auchwitz' cunt.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:19, Reply)

I agree with this
I'm in an irritable mood though
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:22, Reply)

Ok old boy.
If NOTW were to report on "coke blown up rectums" about you because it is both interesting and funny, I would argue that it is not in the public interest because it has fuck all to do with how you hold yourself out as a person or professionally.

Does the argument go "he shouldn't have blown coke...."
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:23, Reply)

I honestly think I would say 'fair enough,
I admitted in a public forum that I have enjoyed the blowing of cocaine up my 'Paul Gadd' and therefore I cannot really deny it, it's a fact so it's rather my tough shit'. If I was a famous television personality I would say that it was even tougher shit.

I am guessing that Andrew Marr has discussed at length on television and in print the 'private life revelations' about many politicians, much of which isn't really to the detriment of their professional abilities, without saying 'steady on, let's leave them be' - he has therefore 'lived by the sword' so to speak.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:28, Reply)

Difference is
YOU disclosed it. It was your decision.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you say but because only public figures use this legislation it looks like the thin edge of the wedge.

When a proper whistleblower with something important to say is stopped from doing so by this legislation it will be because the case law has been developed to that point by whingeing famous wankers.

That said, famous or not, the law is the law. (help me here 'swipe).
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:32, Reply)

if that is your point
then whoever he was shagging has every right to talk about it if she wants.

Perhaps the person doing the blowing up Monty's arse didn't want it known?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:34, Reply)

Then they should have the right to stop him.
As Andrew Marr's wife does.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:35, Reply)

she didn't take out the injunction though
and I'm not so sure she does have that right.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:36, Reply)

He did.
Perhaps for that reason, we are not privvy to the pleading for the injunction.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:37, Reply)

Hahaha you said 'privy'!!!!!!!

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:39, Reply)

now all I can think of is trying to force some lame joke
regarding pleading, injunctions and the privvy (i.e. lavatory)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:39, Reply)

Don't get bogged down with this. You're getting a little flushed.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:57, Reply)

You should log out until you've calmed down.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 17:00, Reply)

That isn't actually going to happen though
because, as with the whole MPs expenses revelations, once there is actually a legitamate public interest case, you can't have a super injunction.

BUT, the trouble with the existance of them at all is that people with lots of money (Trafigura) can tie up the case in protracted legal wrangling even when they are always going to lose.

So my argument is that they are not a good thing.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:36, Reply)

Trafigura were outed in the end, as most are.
I don't think they are GOOD. I think one is entitled to privacy where no public interest exists.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:38, Reply)

Yes, you are
and the law already covers that, so if someone blows your privacy with no public interest you can get an injunction, or just take them to the cleaners afterwards.

But the Trafigura case didn't come to light for years, and only after an MP mentioned it in the westminster using his commons priviledge
(Bazongaloid, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:42, Reply)

Because they was a valid injunction in place.
And I don't mean valid, just enforceable.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:44, Reply)

Yes, exactly
they got away with having a super injunction which prevented papers publishing that they have caused a fucking awful spill and the only reason it came out was because an MP got involved. There was clearly a public interest.

This is a good case to demonstrate the dangers of the existence of super injunctions.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:47, Reply)

Judges fault.
Not the legislation or principle.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:52, Reply)

No, I think it's very much the fault of the principle.
The story itself clearly had public interest so while the specifics of the actual fault were being worked out the papers could have been reporting that a spill happened, but that the person whose fault it was had not been determined. There was no need to have a super injunction. The fact that they exist is dangerous as it gives the power to the people who have lots of money, it's got fuck all to do with "general rights to privacy".
(Bazongaloid, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:57, Reply)

I think Judas Priest put it best when they said
'Breaking the law, breaking the law' dressed as San Franciscan homosexual motorcyclists.

(as you can see, I don't really have a sensible argument)
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:36, Reply)

If you were an MP
I'd vote for you.

And want to read about the lurid details of your cocaine fuelled sex life.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:39, Reply)

I've crapped on more rent boys than Mark Oaten's had hot dinners.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:41, Reply)

That's a lot of crap coated rent boys.
What has a rent boy in every bite?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:42, Reply)

This is very Topic-al. Ho ho.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:49, Reply)

each case will turn on its own facts
if a judge doesn't want to find for it, he will find a reason not to...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:42, Reply)

This phrase covers the entirety of the civil and criminal justice systems.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:43, Reply)

yup!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 17:11, Reply)

he really does look like martin clunes

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:24, Reply)

who picked he wrong grail !1!!

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:27, Reply)

it is not a good look for a man

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:33, Reply)

tell that to Hood-Butter
he who stands at the peak of the metaphorical Everest of cool and awesome.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:35, Reply)

*weeps with laughter*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:38, Reply)

i don't get this whole hood-butter thing?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:41, Reply)

There's a link somewhere.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:42, Reply)

possibly my finest hour

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:44, Reply)

Indeed so.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:48, Reply)

SHOW ME!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 17:15, Reply)

this is a v tricky debate
you're both right.

but then, if you sleep with someone, and they are cheating on their wife and you are not, why should you be gagged because of their indiscretion?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:20, Reply)

Why is it anyone's business?
If every little (or big) thing about everbody's private life were reportage then we would all be out of work.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:25, Reply)

This is a valid point.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:29, Reply)

Look pal I'm not sure what you've been up to, but it best not involve kids

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:29, Reply)

Genuine lol from me here.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:32, Reply)

But they are MY kids.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:33, Reply)

'Nine tenths of the law', I heard.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:34, Reply)

if people will pay to read it
then it becomes a business transaction.

you should be aware of that if you ming and you think that young hot girls will sleep with you because they fancy you and not being paid by NOTW to reveal all.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:30, Reply)

NOW you tell me!

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 26 Apr 2011, 16:32, Reply)