Who'd have thought that American car manufacture
based on Korean car manufacturing would have such a poor outcome.
( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 9:58, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

well, the spark is just a Daewoo with a different badge, innit?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:00, Reply)

and the worst front-end on a car that you have ever seen

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:02, Reply)

And re-interiored to American standards
which are low.
( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:03, Reply)

I know.
I've got a Saab and they seem to have gone for GMs lowest common denominator. The interior is fairly good but some of the plastics are just .... urgh. And Saab is seriously high-end by GM (and therefore US) standards...
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:06, Reply)

It's pathetic, isn't it?
My old mum had a Vauxhall for a while. Interior trim was falling off it after three months.
( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:10, Reply)

It's odd
so, my Saab is (I think) the top model 93. Really lovely seats, high quality leather, awesome 10-speaker hi-fi, etc, etc and then shit plastic everywhere. If you can afford the cows, why not the plastic?

Whereas I used to have a couple of Alfas and they were just ... beautiful. I mean, occasiaonlly all the instrumets would stop working for 30 secs or so, but lovely interiors... ;)
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:13, Reply)

at least yours is high spec
I've had the misfortune of driving cars where the steering wheel is made of that horrible plastic. It's so nasty. Not like the glorious leather steering wheel in my Seat.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I know, but if anything
it kind of makes it worse with the bits of shitty trim they don't upgrade?

that and whoever dictated that Saab inbuilt sat-navs shouldn't take postcodes needs a fucking solid cunting in the murray. I'm pretty sure googling mapping postcodes to get addresses whilst driving isn't "being 100% in control of the vehicle"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:20, Reply)

it doesn't make a great deal of sense.
the satnav thing is pretty fucking stupid as well. I've only driven one car with satnav and that was a Focus I had the other week. Definitely seems like a dangerous thing to be operating while driving.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:23, Reply)

That is quite strange
since pretty much every sat nav you can buy separately will happily take post codes.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:25, Reply)

The reason is actually fairly obvious
Saab satnav is europe-wide and sold in every country. not using postcodes means they don't have to code for different country's systems I assume?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Is it hard coded then?
I thought most used a DVD containing all the info they needed, certainly my dads Audi does.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:30, Reply)

DVD is the same europewide too, I think
it's just laziness but it does kind of make sense
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 11:25, Reply)

But it's mobile phones that they ban.

( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:25, Reply)

I'd love an Alfa
but I'd have to move closer to work, where the occasional Italian skill with electrics won't cripple me for the entire day.

Have you seen inside a "high-spec" Chrysler or similar? Acres of leather, and then cheap wood-effect veneered plastic.
( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:22, Reply)

sounds vile.
I'm currently in the process of figuring out how I can afford to buy something pretty much like this
www.broadwayvancentre.com/www.broadwayvancentre.coms/info.php?p=2&pno=0&pid=2919762&cat=&ack=9&search=&sought=
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:27, Reply)

Are they classed as a car derived van, or a light goods vehicle?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:29, Reply)

light goods
unless you get one with windows and seats in the back
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:30, Reply)

Make sure you don't go above fifty on an A road, or 60 on a duel carriage way
that's why I got done.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:31, Reply)

yeah, I'll be bearing that in mind
annoyingly you can't get them reclassed as a camper without having a permanent stove and specific amount of storage and stuff.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Are campers treated the same as cars then?
If so it seems a very silly system.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:33, Reply)

something to do with the possible load you could have in it I think
it is a silly system.

It's amazing how few people know about the lower speed limit for a van thing.

Did you get caught out by a guy with a gun or a fixed camera?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Man with gun
a fixed camera wouldn't pick you up.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:44, Reply)

that's what I thought
damn those men with guns
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:48, Reply)

I've seen quite a few of those T5s
with lowered suspension and alloys etc.
( Kroney, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:36, Reply)

there are loads of them down this way.
I can't wait to get one. Can't quite afford it at the moment though unfortunately.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:41, Reply)

I can't even joke about it
every other car I've had has had at least one redeeming feature, even if it is as trivial as having heated seats and steering wheel, or in the case of the newest Astra it had red lights in the doors and round the bottom of the boot on the gear stick.

The Chevrolet has nothing. It's the only car I've ever been embarrassed to be seen in. I think I'd rather be driving a Fiat Multipla
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:01, Reply)

ah, you even prefer the "anally raped bullfrog" look.
that's bad, man.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:07, Reply)

that's how bad this car is.
I was so fucking annoyed when they delivered it this week. Glanced out the window and thought it was a new Ford Ka and was prepared to accept that as at least I hadn't driven one before, but no. Such a piece of shit.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 17 May 2011, 10:09, Reply)