Why thank you Mr Dozer for you thrilling contribution.
Shall I repeat my feeling about some of the music that you think is oh so wonderful, or shall we both save our breath?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

Feel free.
I can expound precisely why sci fi is gash, beyond personal taste. Can you do the same?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)

I have a 15,000
word dissertation on it if that helps
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:22, Reply)

Is this a discussion on toilet paper?

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)

Dissertation on Science Fiction? As part of an English Literature degree?
Interesting.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)

no
it was the dissertation for my Masters in Photography and was a discussion of the representation and role of 'other' as represented by aliens and androids in sci fi

(it fits with photography because it was all linked with contemporary cultural theory which is the theory part of the course)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:25, Reply)

I probably don't help my case
by pointing out my phd proposal was loosely based on time travel in sci fi. Never did it, mind
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:30, Reply)

I'm not totally dismissing it as a genre.
There have been some phenomenal science fiction works, like Neuromancer and Blade Runner. Where they fit in to canon though is part of other literary traditions. Your bog standard garish covered Sci Fi novels are pointless, geeky doggerel.

Alfred Bester- The Stars My Destination is fantastic, but The Demolished Man is terrible. All due to how well he wrote them.

Didactic fictions are ironically among the most intellectually impoverished of all- and that is where a lot of sci fi falls down. You also need to look at what happens when serious authors dabble in it. If you apply The Breeders test to Ian Banks for instance, he comes out Frank Black rather than Kim Deal.

trufax from the dozerman.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:32, Reply)

I think your missing a lot of what sci fi is currently
yeah there is the boring rockets and heroic spacemen thing, but there are far more interesting things going on that get overlooked. You can't judge a genre on its worst examples - otherwise all genres would be shit.

Oh and 'real' authors can fuck up sci fi pretty bad, or at the very least not do it justice. Iain Banks is pretty awesome, but he's a proper sci fi nerd, too, and knows his shit.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:39, Reply)

Ian Banks is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)

Ooh, also the use of bright white, surgical type areas in the Alien films against the 'other' as represented by everything else there.
Alien was fantastic.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:37, Reply)

Get with the programme dad, tune in to Autechre and get your freak on

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:21, Reply)

Incunabula and Amber were fantastic.
They've been strangers to a melody for a hell of a time, great live but vanished up their own backsides somewhat.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:26, Reply)

Comrades a big liar, I for one saw him in the Megadog Tent at Phoenix in 96, he had his glowsticks out and everything
I ain't seen Autechre since 1996, I really liked them then, have no idea what they do now. The egg keeps coming up on my random ipod fact fans
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:29, Reply)

That was back when they made beautiful, soulful melodic electronica.
Just about all of the stuff post 2000 has been intricately constructed, extremely cerebral glitch.

Very good in its own right, just tedious as fuck.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:35, Reply)

I read somewhere that they wrote software which produces their music now or some such shittery

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:40, Reply)

dont you know that is how all technohouse is made.
A man in glasses just presses a button and some technohouse comes out there is no talent it is just shit that all goes UNSK UNSK UNSK UNSK and that is why dance music is all shit and the 'beats' just go BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM and Lars Ulrich is way better at drumming BECAUSE HE IS REAL AND IS IN METALLICA not that dance music is real drumming anyway except for Reprazent and BBF and Lars wouldnt play it anyway cos it is not music and is SHIT SHIT SHIT and there is nobody playing any real instruments so it is all shit.

amirite?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:45, Reply)

Probs, I'm pretty sure most of the 'live' dance acts I've seen have pressed a play button and then looked busy twiddling knobs for the next hour.

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:48, Reply)

This is exactly what happens when they play 'live'.
It's because they have to hide having no talent and not making any real music.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:59, Reply)