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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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I have inflicted dismalness on the previous thread
I must make things better.

Kittens or Puppies - which would you prefer.

Frankly I'm ambivalent but White Denim are playing Bingley Festival this weekend.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:14, 268 replies, latest was 14 years ago)
I think White Denim were more successful when the performed under the name
Blue Stratos.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:17, Reply)
Was Kouros the drummer at that time?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:18, Reply)
Yeah, but he left to join middle-of-the-road American 'rockband' Fahrenheit.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:19, Reply)
[something about Hi Karate]

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:34, Reply)
Aren't Old Spice the support act?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:41, Reply)
Art Brut surely!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_IGqNoB4eI
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:47, Reply)
A bit Drakkar Noir for me!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:53, Reply)
I was sure you go "boss"

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:29, Reply)
I don't know this band
or do i?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:20, Reply)
Bingley Festival 2011
www.bingleymusiclive.com/lineup.php

20 mins from home. Tee hee!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:27, Reply)
And some White Denim
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oPvyUHX3DE
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:34, Reply)
aww man, that's a tricky question
I have never had a pet dog or cat ever. I think I'm a dog person, but it's hard to say and their poos do smell really really bad.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:18, Reply)
Where as cat piss is like roses.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:19, Reply)
don't they just do it in litter trays, though?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:20, Reply)
Don't know. I've never had a cat.
Saying that, I've nothing against cats, bar the fact I'm alergic to them.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:21, Reply)
I think I'm just a rodent person
One day I'd like a capybara I could take for walks
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:22, Reply)
I read that as Happybara.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:27, Reply)
His thighs are too short to take for walks.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:27, Reply)
And I'd imagine the musky smell would be worse than both cat piss and dog shit.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:28, Reply)
I'm liking the idea of a pet Capybara
They're just enormous guinea pigs really
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:29, Reply)
exactly

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:39, Reply)
dogs don't smell as bad as cats do though.
Puppies all teh way.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:22, Reply)
Correct answer.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:25, Reply)
You're both wrong
puppies smell more than kittens.

Though the question reminds me of this thoughtcatalog.com/2011/why-the-internet-chose-cats/
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:29, Reply)
Teenage boys smell more than both of them.
I still love my nephew though.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:35, Reply)
Don't they just?!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:42, Reply)
Haha! you have double the dose.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:43, Reply)
Yes :(
Sometimes the stench is quite overpowering. It seems to come from all orifices and often there is a green miasma around them.
Just charming.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:47, Reply)
My mate's cousin was a really smelly teenager.
The final straw was when they found maggots in his bedroom fridge.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:58, Reply)
Eeeeeeeeeeew!
Teenage boys do have a unique stench :/
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:05, Reply)
Kittens naturally
much preferable to dogs
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:19, Reply)
Oooh. I don't know if you've ever been this wrong before.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:20, Reply)
Quite probably
but kittens are so much more adorable- and more to the point uniformly adorable than puppies
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:20, Reply)
well they are a lot fluffier

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:21, Reply)
I don't know actually
Some puppies are rather fluffy.

I don't think I could pick between them, they are both cute and fun to play with, I guess I would side with Kittens becasue they don't chew the shit out of things so much.

Also, really sorry to hear about your guinea pig.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:25, Reply)
totally sucks
and the other guinea pig is definitely moping
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:40, Reply)
If I saw a kitten
I'd probably smile, and think that it was cute. Puppies don't really elicit that same 'awww' factor
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:29, Reply)


(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:32, Reply)
If there was a small animal theme park.
That dog would probably be a dodgem. I'd imagine his tail would conduct electricity quite well.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:34, Reply)
B-but

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:34, Reply)
between these two
puppy wins
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:40, Reply)
You're all wrong :(
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlKYtLlvRlU
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:43, Reply)
Don't know
I have cats and dogs.

The cats are less demanding but the dogs are more fulfilling.

I have a yearning for goats.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:53, Reply)
At the moment neither.
When my cats eventually shuffle off this mortal coil, I shall take time off from having a pet. Then depending how my life is at that time I may get a small dog.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:34, Reply)
I'd get your small dog
if you know what I mean.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:37, Reply)
*does steptoe face*

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:40, Reply)
Okay Blousie.
You can stop doing the Steptoe face now...
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:54, Reply)
: S

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:56, Reply)
*chest bumps*
I was dreaming about Tarzan last night - best kittum ever \o/
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:59, Reply)
Aw! I hope he's ok.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:04, Reply)
He wasn't in the dream :'(
Antonios said he'd run away, then they found him 3 months later, starving to death. I must phone to see how they all are! I keep in touch with the lads on faecebook, but haven't spoken to the grown-ups for too long.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:08, Reply)
Whereas I dreamt I'd written The Hobbit.
I was Tolkien in my sleep.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:10, Reply)
I dreamed that I wrote 1984
But I didn't.

Or'well
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:15, Reply)
*SPANG* :D

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:36, Reply)
I'm not stopping
just wondering whether anyone did Victoria Spongebob Squarepants earlier.

*flees*
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:37, Reply)
It's OK, I made it home safely. There was a young man with two girls on the train opersite me who didn't shut up, that teenage "Izzit... all my dayz" type talk.
I nearly killed them because I had to read every paragraph twice as I couldn't concentrate at all and I didn't have any battery left in my phone to listen to music.

That fist full of pills really made the whole thing, erm, relaxing and child, despite that.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:55, Reply)
So do you want my liver or not?
There's a geezer on Leeds Market offering good money.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 19:59, Reply)
Yeah', g'wan, thing is though, I have to ram grains down your throat for 10 days, until you're litterally stuffed.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:20, Reply)
You're needing a goose there

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:31, Reply)
Hey there Gonz m'love :)
How are the meds working out?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:00, Reply)
Hello lovely !
Amazingly fabulous, my stomach is a little bit better, rather than cured or anything, but what's totally awesome is that I'm no longer withdrawing from morphine for most of the day as the methadone takes that away. When I was on slow-release morphine, it never worked for me, I went from about 60mg down to 0 without a single effect. The methadone works the way it should do, and I've managed to dramaticly cut back the [normal release] morphine because I no longer feel an urge to take it, and in fact, I sometimes skip it... something an addict (as well as dependant) would never be able to do.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:19, Reply)
That is excellent news \o/
I just wish your stomach was loads better though, rather than a little bit :/
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:38, Reply)
Thanks =D
It's annoying because it hit me today at about 3ish and went on 'till 8:30, so I couldn't make the journey home, eventually at 6:30 (my work hours end at 5) I was about to order a cab when I just took a fist full of pills, gave it an hour, and I managed to get home via tube... I was going to get a cab, but when they kicked in I felt confident I could make it.

It's a bit annoying as I was supposed to go out with TGB for a good-bye meal, to an amazing american place, but it's really not a good idea to eat so much meat en-mass.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:02, Reply)
oh! I read a thing the other day
about people using worms (like gut worms, not garden worms) to deal with crohns, I'll try and find it, but I don't imagine eating worms eggs would be fun
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:42, Reply)
it's a subscription only thing :(
www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128244.500-citizen-scientists-eat-worms-to-treat-disorders.html
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:44, Reply)
Urgh!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:51, Reply)
OH man, there is a pay-wall there, but what I did read sounds interesting, and it's not the first time I've heard that.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:03, Reply)
Decision finally made - kittens \o/
I'm definitely a dog person - they're fantastic company, you have wonderful walks together and no matter how shit your day has been at work, the welcome home from a dog makes it all go away. Puppies are full of win, apart from their needle teeth... However, nothing makes my heart sing better than seeing kittens play - practising their stealthy hunting skills :)
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:44, Reply)
evening all!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:50, Reply)
Evening racist.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:52, Reply)
Evening, clarification on the above please

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:02, Reply)
What are you doing here?
Shouldn't you be burping the baby or cuddling the Mrs or the other way round.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:53, Reply)
He's probably left her
changing a particularly stinky poo.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:56, Reply)
She's at the cinema and the wee one is asleep next to me on the sofa

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:02, Reply)
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
I've now got the urge to smell a baby.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:03, Reply)
I bet it's curling out a long one right now.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:04, Reply)
Noooo! I mean the clean talcy smell that babies have.
Aber will be dropping soon so I can smell hers.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:05, Reply)
Kittenfaceceildhbaby is incredibly cute.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:08, Reply)
She certainly is.
She's got her daddies pudgy face.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:09, Reply)
and her daddy's height, from what I've heard.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:09, Reply)
she just woke a little bit but a quick head tickle sends her straight back to sleep
I'll she if I can get a piccie up for you
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:06, Reply)
Oooo yes, can you keep your cock out of it please.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:08, Reply)
i'll try, although due to it's size that can be hard

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:09, Reply)
Well think of the mother in law and it will go soft again.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:10, Reply)
b3tards is broken :(

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:11, Reply)
: (
It might be temporary.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:12, Reply)
I'm trying blousie, if there is a nerd here who can recommend a different picture service...

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:14, Reply)
Errrr, CR3 had a site
but my b3tards isn't broken.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:15, Reply)
No it isn't

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:13, Reply)
I'll try a different browser Chrome keeping giving an error

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:17, Reply)
Ugh
Babies smell worse than dogs and cats. If they're not dribbling or throwing up, they're shitting. The only time they're fun to be around is when someone has them all cleaned up and soft and dusted with baby powder.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:07, Reply)
this
as long as they are asleep and no one makes you hold them
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:08, Reply)
No, I like holding them, under the above conditions.
There's something very satisfying about nestling a small person in the crook of your arm. Until it starts crying all over the place.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:11, Reply)
no way, it's all stressy
and you're meant to say things like 'aww it's so cute and looks like you', when you're thinking 'shit, I'm going to drop it and it just looks like a baby and oh god I'm not making a happy and impressed enough face, do you think I've held it for a polite amount of time yet'
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:13, Reply)
I'm the same with cocks.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:11, Reply)
Liar.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:13, Reply)
Ok I admit it.
I prefer them perky and pleased to see me.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:17, Reply)
Hello again boys and girls
Had to nip out for a bit there. I reckon there's not much more embarrassing than having to walk into the supermarket last thing before it closes, just to buy one bottle of whiskey. You should have seen me doing my best 'I'm not an alcoholic, honest' face at the checkout.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:04, Reply)
You need to use the offy for the last-minute bottle of spirits.
And ask them to 'wrap it in a bit of paper for you'.

That'll convince them that you're off to a swanky drinks party. A swanky drinks party that starts at 9pm.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:15, Reply)
but the whiskey he wanted was cheap at the supermarket!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:18, Reply)
Then spend the money you've saved on a 'value' bottle gift-wrap bag thing.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:19, Reply)
i made
ALMOST ONE jar of chutney. This was not the impressive yield I was expecting from what was most of the onions I grew, but it does look nice
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:05, Reply)
Get you Mrs housewife.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:06, Reply)
I feel I should find
a little bit of gingham to put on the lid

It's ready in a month, so we should have a Swansea, eating cheese and chutney bash in one month's time
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:07, Reply)
Noel gave me some lovely onion jam.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:10, Reply)
is that what they're calling it these days?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:12, Reply)
that'd sting on the way out

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:13, Reply)
It'll bring tears to your eyes.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:17, Reply)
Chutney farmer.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:14, Reply)
HEY MOTHERFUCKERS!
NOEL IS LEAVING!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:24, Reply)
Leaving where?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:25, Reply)
the planet
in a rocket ship
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:25, Reply)
I sense lies.
And I asked a sensible question as well.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:26, Reply)
sorry
here
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:27, Reply)
In a flouncy way?
Why?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:27, Reply)
no
he just said on fb
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
Fair enough.
So rather than chatting to people on here and on facebook, he'll just talk to them on facebook.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:34, Reply)
Pay attention Cavy!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:28, Reply)
I keep reading your new middle name as 'arch bitch'

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
I totally am

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
me too!
*arch bitch high fives*
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:34, Reply)
Same.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
:(

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:25, Reply)
On a jet plane?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:26, Reply)
Because we're shit
and not as funny as we used to be.

I blame al.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:28, Reply)
Is that a direct quote?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
the 'i blame al' bit probably is

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:30, Reply)
Might as well have been
Vipros told me I was a dick, and a boring unfunny dick at that.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:31, Reply)
So I stop posting during the day and this place goes to the dogs...
*At least, that is what I'll keep telling myself*
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:32, Reply)
He's really arsey at the moment

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:32, Reply)
I'd be upset if my face was a steaming mass of pustules the week before my wedding.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:35, Reply)
True, but it is a Devon wedding, they still have smallpox down there

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:38, Reply)
It just means the traditional cow-fucking
will have to be put off a week
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:42, Reply)
Oh, is that who that was?
I keep seeing people on fb I know must be b3tans, but I can never figure out who they are.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:33, Reply)
What? He's not said it on Facebook.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:34, Reply)
So who was just saying that rory was a cunt?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:35, Reply)
Not Vipros

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:37, Reply)
Well, obviously I'm not going to bandy his real name about on here
but he's wearing a comedy scots hat in his picture.

We should have some kind of directory.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:38, Reply)
Everyone?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:37, Reply)
OMGATTENTION!!!!111!!!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:38, Reply)
His skin must be irritating him
Either that or he saw his future IN YOUR FACE.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:35, Reply)
Maybe he saw the future in the reflection of the crown of my head.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:40, Reply)
Divine the future using the composition
of rolls of fat.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:45, Reply)
I blame chomp and truth fairy for their tedious puns

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:33, Reply)
:(

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:29, Reply)
I WILL NEVER LEAVE ALL OF YOU...............................NEVER DO YOU HEAR!!!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:31, Reply)
that sounds more like a threat

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:32, Reply)
You'd better not Ms Wilkes

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:32, Reply)
I NEVER WANT YOU TO LEAVE ME
I'LL MISS YOU SEXY VOICE TELLING ME WHERE YOUR BEDROOM IS!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:32, Reply)
Third door on the left my little bottom fondler.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:37, Reply)
I know, I came and found you in the morning
but you just grunted and rolled over.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:38, Reply)
^ Blousie. Al is calling you a perfectly normal bloke.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:43, Reply)
I've been called worse.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:45, Reply)
*Waves*
You on the vino this evening?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:45, Reply)
No, I'm trying to lay off it for a bit.
When I say a bit, I mean a few days.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:47, Reply)
Good work!
All well with Biscuit and Benji?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:48, Reply)
Yup! but missing their mum. She's in Tenerife at the moment.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:49, Reply)
He'll be back
They always come back
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:37, Reply)
alright quenders?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:41, Reply)
Alright PD.
How are you?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:42, Reply)
I'm OK
Still waiting for that job offer to be formally confirmed.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)
What's the latest with the work situation.
The last (I'd read), you were getting grief from your employer because they were bellends.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)
They still are a gaggle of purple headed warriors.
I had an interview last month for a job in Leeds, following which I was phoned by the Operations guy telling me that they wanted to hire me, as well as someone else. They only have one vacancy at the moment, with a possible second in a few months. The delay is in him trying to get HR to agree too bring forward the second vacancy so that me and the other person can formally receive our offers.

Just a matter of waiting for them to pull their finger out.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:22, Reply)
Hope it goes well and you get the offer you're waiting for.
I too, have been mucked about recently with 'recruitment' people (overseas).

Right. Bed time.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:24, Reply)
morning

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:45, Reply)
Puppies
3 reasons:
1)they taste better than kittens
2)They grow up to be loverly dogs
3)Sometimes 'puppies' means boobies

No idea who they are or what6 that is, but it all soiunds frightfully northern, so I'm sure it's nice.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:45, Reply)
has The Sparrow made you cry yet?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:51, Reply)
Only when he got a paper cut turning the page.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:51, Reply)
with his willy

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:52, Reply)
they print is especially on sharp
paper with onions inbetween the pages
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:52, Reply)
It really doesn't need it :(

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:54, Reply)
no
have you read the sequel? They reprinted it fairly recently after years of being unavailable
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:56, Reply)
What books are you talking about?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:58, Reply)
'The Sparrow'
by Mary Doria Russell
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:59, Reply)
I read a book once.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:05, Reply)
did it have pictures?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:06, Reply)
Yeah.
There was a big caterpillar, and it was very very hungry.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:07, Reply)
oh I hear that one has an excellent plot

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:08, Reply)
Kept me guessing right till the end.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:08, Reply)
I don't think I could take it to be honest

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 21:59, Reply)
fair play
I've not re read it, but it nearly made me cry in public. I don't do that kind of shit
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:02, Reply)
Yeah very few books have ever made me feel sad
but The Sparrow was one of them.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:03, Reply)
It didn't make me cry but I'm well ard innit.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:04, Reply)
I stupidly reread it
just after I left my husband and was a bit delicate. Otherwise I'd have just laughed it off or not
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:05, Reply)
That probably was a big factor.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:05, Reply)
I bet I won't either.
you never know, I can be a soppy cunt, but I'd need to bne alot more emotionally invested than I am ATM.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:07, Reply)
You will be.
Some of it is quite harrowing.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:08, Reply)
^this
as above, one of the few books (three that I can think of) that has ever made me feel that sad.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:09, Reply)
we shall see, I am nothing if not counter-suggestible.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:13, Reply)
*remember this for the future*

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:16, Reply)
only works with subtlty

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:18, Reply)
Subtlety is my middle name.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)
Nope, they only just found the song thing.
However if those 5 end up actually being the ones to go (as I strongly suspect they will) it shall stretch my credulity somewhat, otherwise, loving it.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:05, Reply)
...they meant no harm

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:06, Reply)
*sob*

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:07, Reply)
stop dropping hints
I could probably guess all sorts, but am willfully not doing so,.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:08, Reply)
sorry
it's just the words from the back of the book
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)
not read the back yet.
never mind.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:13, Reply)
It's sci fi. Streching credulity is what it's all about.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:06, Reply)
Sci fi is shit for nonces.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)
you suck

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:11, Reply)
Whatevs!
*flips the bird*
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:11, Reply)
Why thank you Mr Dozer for you thrilling contribution.
Shall I repeat my feeling about some of the music that you think is oh so wonderful, or shall we both save our breath?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)
Feel free.
I can expound precisely why sci fi is gash, beyond personal taste. Can you do the same?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)
I have a 15,000
word dissertation on it if that helps
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:22, Reply)
Is this a discussion on toilet paper?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)
Dissertation on Science Fiction? As part of an English Literature degree?
Interesting.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)
no
it was the dissertation for my Masters in Photography and was a discussion of the representation and role of 'other' as represented by aliens and androids in sci fi

(it fits with photography because it was all linked with contemporary cultural theory which is the theory part of the course)
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:25, Reply)
I probably don't help my case
by pointing out my phd proposal was loosely based on time travel in sci fi. Never did it, mind
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:30, Reply)
I'm not totally dismissing it as a genre.
There have been some phenomenal science fiction works, like Neuromancer and Blade Runner. Where they fit in to canon though is part of other literary traditions. Your bog standard garish covered Sci Fi novels are pointless, geeky doggerel.

Alfred Bester- The Stars My Destination is fantastic, but The Demolished Man is terrible. All due to how well he wrote them.

Didactic fictions are ironically among the most intellectually impoverished of all- and that is where a lot of sci fi falls down. You also need to look at what happens when serious authors dabble in it. If you apply The Breeders test to Ian Banks for instance, he comes out Frank Black rather than Kim Deal.

trufax from the dozerman.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:32, Reply)
I think your missing a lot of what sci fi is currently
yeah there is the boring rockets and heroic spacemen thing, but there are far more interesting things going on that get overlooked. You can't judge a genre on its worst examples - otherwise all genres would be shit.

Oh and 'real' authors can fuck up sci fi pretty bad, or at the very least not do it justice. Iain Banks is pretty awesome, but he's a proper sci fi nerd, too, and knows his shit.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:39, Reply)
Ian Banks is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)
Ooh, also the use of bright white, surgical type areas in the Alien films against the 'other' as represented by everything else there.
Alien was fantastic.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:37, Reply)
Get with the programme dad, tune in to Autechre and get your freak on

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:21, Reply)
Incunabula and Amber were fantastic.
They've been strangers to a melody for a hell of a time, great live but vanished up their own backsides somewhat.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:26, Reply)
Comrades a big liar, I for one saw him in the Megadog Tent at Phoenix in 96, he had his glowsticks out and everything
I ain't seen Autechre since 1996, I really liked them then, have no idea what they do now. The egg keeps coming up on my random ipod fact fans
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:29, Reply)
That was back when they made beautiful, soulful melodic electronica.
Just about all of the stuff post 2000 has been intricately constructed, extremely cerebral glitch.

Very good in its own right, just tedious as fuck.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:35, Reply)
I read somewhere that they wrote software which produces their music now or some such shittery

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:40, Reply)
dont you know that is how all technohouse is made.
A man in glasses just presses a button and some technohouse comes out there is no talent it is just shit that all goes UNSK UNSK UNSK UNSK and that is why dance music is all shit and the 'beats' just go BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM and Lars Ulrich is way better at drumming BECAUSE HE IS REAL AND IS IN METALLICA not that dance music is real drumming anyway except for Reprazent and BBF and Lars wouldnt play it anyway cos it is not music and is SHIT SHIT SHIT and there is nobody playing any real instruments so it is all shit.

amirite?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:45, Reply)
Probs, I'm pretty sure most of the 'live' dance acts I've seen have pressed a play button and then looked busy twiddling knobs for the next hour.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:48, Reply)
This is exactly what happens when they play 'live'.
It's because they have to hide having no talent and not making any real music.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:59, Reply)
nope, my bluff is called.
I like what I like and you like stuff that is less good, but I cannot be arsed talking about it, nothing to gain for either of us.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:27, Reply)
'Stuff that is less good.'
That made me lol. Name names. I understand you are a metaller, right?

Oh dear.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:34, Reply)
You understand but a tiny fraction of the wonder that is me.
I'm really not interested Dozer, I like what I like, I'm not in the mood to defend it or to argue about why I think some of what you like is shit, it's just not worth the breath.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:36, Reply)
You must be chicken, boy
a long streak of yellow there
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:41, Reply)
That's it though.
Nobody has to defend what they like. But if there can be some reasoning outside of 'I just think it's shit' then it's all good.

For the record, I love Kyuss, Sunn O))), Pantera, Slayer and Nine Inch Nails. I also love underground house, breakbeat, Black Flag, NWA, Mos Def, Teenage Fanclub and drum n bass.

Big fucking deal.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:42, Reply)
OK, very breifly.
No idea where you got metaller from, maybe 10 years ago, but I have fairly diverse tastes now. For taste I like the sound of guitars generally, I also like a tune and some lyrics. I suppose beyond that which is mere aesthetic preference (although I think it's hard to convey meaning or emotion with out words), I go with Bill Hicks "Play with your heart", I like a bit of passion.

The stuff you linked (I think, may have been someone else but I think it was you) had none of these things, so I didn't like it. It also sounded very samey and repetitive to me. I'm sure there are things to be said for it, but I do not think it will ever be for me.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:49, Reply)
I think all genres
(music, film, books, etc.) sound samey when you don't know them well. It's like when you know a group of people, it takes a while for the nuances of their personalities to become apparent
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:53, Reply)
Maybe in your autistic little world, but I could tell you from Rorry in a heart beat.
I know what you mena TBH, but even if I could tell Drum'n'Bass from Hard House (and for all I know one is a form of the other) I think I stand more chance of liking Opera than either.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:57, Reply)
Opera is awesome
I'll have nothing said against it
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:58, Reply)
Hard House and DnB are as distinct from each other as Country is from Nu Skool Breaks.
What the Comrade seems to think is a passionate love of REAL music is in fact ignorance.

I hate opera, just for the record, I find it puerile in the extreme. Also, operagoers lap up stuff in the plot, music and lyrics they would sneer at in any other genre. I saw Aida the other week and found it reet funny. I'm sure comedy is the last thing it is meant to be.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:02, Reply)
hey I genuinely like opera, and I'm not some snobbish cunt!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:05, Reply)
You don't find it faintly hilarious?
I AM DYING OF A TERRIBLE WOUND, THIS TERRIBLE WOUND THAT MY SECRET LOVER HAS INFLICTED ON ME! THE SECRET LOVER WHO SANG A VERY LOUD SONG ABOUT OUR SECRET LOVE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER PRINCIPLE PLAYERS!

MY LUNG IS COLLAPSING YET I SING, I SING BECAUSE I AM DYING!

I can't take it seriously, sorry. Also, I'm a very visual guy, and the only fit birds on stage are dancers and as such mere bit part players. If I was into BBW then maybe I'd appreciate it more.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:09, Reply)
so your story is someone once linked to some music that you didn't like?
And 'repetitive'? Just about every single song/ track whatever in just bout every single genre is repetitive. That's what a riff is. I was listening to some Pantera once and it was just the same sequence of chords a few times on the verse, then a different sequence twice on the chorus, then back to the first one again. I was so bored I went and listened to Smells Like Teen Spirit. Same thing on that.

So I took a different tack. I put on a Public Enemy CD and skipped straight to a 'song' called She Watch Channel Zero?! (nice interrobang, I thought to myself). The thieving black bastards had only gone and STOLEN a Slayer riff! Then they 'looped' it! REPEATING A REPETITIVE PHRASE!

So then I fucked it all off and sought refuge in some free jazz. Absolutely no repetition at all, but sadly no fucking tune either.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:58, Reply)
"Nobody has to defend what they like. But if there can be some reasoning outside of 'I just think it's shit' then it's all good."
Fuck off Dozer, I said I had no interest in this shit, and your pointing out that, in your mind, things that you think I like have the flaws I attribute to things you like will not make me think your music taste is any less shit, it just makes me think it's shit and at least one of the people who likes it is a dick too.

So, congrats, you have made me like it infinitesimally less.

And now I'm doing what I should have done in the first place and leaving this idiotic conversation alone.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)
Sorry, I couldn't make head nor tail of your first paragraph there.
I'm going to go and cry myself to sleep to some Megadeth.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:06, Reply)
Oh for fucksake you tit.
I'm not a metaller and I don't have some retarded passion for "REAL" music, I just don't like drum'n'bass, OK? If you can let that lie we can get on with areguing about something that matters, but if you want to pick a fight, do please try to make it about something I actually believe, M'kay?

Here's a hint: Have a crack at Bicycles (specifically old and rusty ones), left-wing politics, atheism or breasts, and I might bight, but Muscal taste? It really is so subjective there's just no point.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:12, Reply)
I have no interest in bikes.
I am very left wing in outlook (though more liberal than left these days, I still describe my outlook as essentially Socialist though, I suppose my admiration of John Berger's work feeds directly into that, but I digress), am atheist of course and I love breasts.

Aight?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:16, Reply)
fine, so more or less the only thing we disagree on is music.
Oh, and Sci Fi. As long as you don't like Marmite I have no reason to stab you at the bash.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:20, Reply)
I love marmite.
Which bash?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:21, Reply)
Monty's
Die Marmite eater!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:23, Reply)
I'm not sure, I like it when it's believable.
and the whole @do you realise we have the perfect crew right here?' thing is reminding me of cliff Richard, if they start singing....

I also think I'd believe it if they had the cash to just buy a ship and go, but the idea of the jesuits accepting them, just too much. but then it hasn't happened yet, so maybe it'll work, not a mojor flaw as yet.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)
I'll admit I found that a little 'lucky' but a minor irritation when put in context of how the story evolves.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)
I can live with it, just the only bit that hasn't rung totally true so far.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:14, Reply)
Speaking of which my current book is just starting to get interesting so I'm off to bed.
Night all!!!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)
Night Blousie!
Sweet dreams.

I hope Spot finds his ball.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)
night.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:18, Reply)
i dunno
I reckon if I heard an alien signal I could find friends with the right kind of skills pretty quickly.

Or at least people who claimed they had the skills because they rolled an 18 on intellect
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)
As could I.
the chances I could talk any organisation into sending us off to another planet however...
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)
*wonders if the Pope would sponsor me*
Maybe if I promised to bring back some alien kids
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:24, Reply)
You might pull it off
what with that whole believing in god shtick you have going on. I, on the other hand am a godless heathern and then some, verging on the theophobe. I suppose I could try the BHA, but I tend to think they are twats too mostly.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:29, Reply)
This was not, may I point out, meant to be disrespectful of your beliefs.
I say this as, just for once, even though most of your beliefs seem to be diametrically opposed to mine, you seem like a nice person, so I'm trying not to be offensive, even though this is my default state of being.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:39, Reply)
I just wiki'd the book.
Doesn't sound like my kind of thing. I find 'proper' scifi quite hard to get into.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:20, Reply)
There is no sci-fi on the pier.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:20, Reply)
50 minutes to go,
arteta please!!!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)
And for City to keep Maynard!

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)
Not to mention Taylor.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)
I thought he had gone?

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:21, Reply)
Have I missed something.
Where did he go?
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:22, Reply)
I don't think so, can't see anything on the beeb just in the back of my mimd.

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:24, Reply)
breaking news
And, after a succession of deals that are happening, here is one that isn't. After a summer of speculation (and several failed bids from big-spending Leicester City) Bristol City have confirmed that Nicky Maynard will not be leaving the club today.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:24, Reply)
Just seen that!
2221: And, after a succession of deals that are happening, here is one that isn't. After a summer of speculation (and several failed bids from big-spending Leicester City) Bristol City have confirmed that Nicky Maynard will not be leaving the club today.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:25, Reply)
I'll go to bed now.
NIGHT!
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:26, Reply)
sweet dreams sugar tits

(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:27, Reply)
Boobies!
I think it's time for me to sleep/lie in bed convinced I can't do my job I'm sure this will wear off soon
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:51, Reply)
night.
You'll be fine, you're an art teacher, as long as you don't actually inject crack in class you can't go wrong.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:59, Reply)
oh I don't have classes until next week
it's all about the planning and the paperwork and the meetings and the last minute courses you have to write
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:03, Reply)
like teachers do any work.
Go to bed.
(, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)

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