Trouble with this is, you get people like Swipe who start saying
"why should I be contributing to this state system when it doesn't benefit me, if they want health care they should pay for it like I do" and then you get a run down system that doesn't work properly and ultimately your society ends up suffering.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:39, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

if you're going to quote me, do it properly.
i have never ever said i should not contribute to it. all i ever said was, fuck me, if i have to pay a fortune in tax, can't they spend it properly please. i have never begrudged paying money for education, but i have a brother who is deputy head of a state school, and my mother was head of a state infant school, and my cousin teaches in a state school... and ALL of them have/had the most horrendous stories about how the money gets wasted and doesn't go on the right bits!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:42, Reply)

You don't believe in free education post-18 though

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:46, Reply)

again, not an accurate quote
i said, and have always said, it should be merit-based. if you get good grades, you get it free. which can be weighted towards state schools to make it fair. i would also make it harder to get funding for some courses than others, eg medicine and teaching degrees should have lower threshholds, surfing studies should have a 10 A threshhold!

what i then said was, the students rioting because they EXPECT it for free regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses etc is not something i can get on board with.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:48, Reply)

Fair enough, you did say that.
I don't think you are accurately portraying the students who were rioting demonstrating though. Forgive me if I missed it, but I didn't hear any of them quoted as EXPECTING free education regardless of the merits of their achievements or proposed courses. I think they just wanted everybody to be able to have a fair crack at it.
Let's not start that discussion up again though, eh?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 12:56, Reply)

i have a meeting now
so yes, let's not! x
( rachelswipe with a fork, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:00, Reply)

gerra room

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 18 Nov 2011, 13:15, Reply)