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my dislike of The SmithsHas been questioned. Apparently I only dislike then because they are firmly canon, when in fact it is because they are shit.
The fact that I love canonical, critically lauded post punk band Joy Division is overlooked.
Why can't people just accept that I don't like the Beatles or the Smiths?
Wankers.
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hang on, what does "firmly canon" mean?
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:51,
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yeah, there is no such thing as canonical.You do realise that you don't have to automatically disagree with me on everything, right? That's something children do.
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no, i think he might be right on this, if something is firmly canon, i guess that would mean it is "firmly orthodox" but that doesn't mean anything.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:56,
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I like it when you're angry. It makes my cock firmly orthodox.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:58,
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'Dracula' is firmly within the canon of gothic fiction.It is also hilariously badly written and considered to be tremendously important to the development of pre-Modernist Gothic writing.
Doesn't necessarily mean it is orthodox. Naked Lunch is literary canon, but in no way orthodox. Ditto The Atrocity Exhibition.
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Orthodox Jews are also orthodox.As are members of the Greek Orthodox church. Ultravox, conversely, are a pop group. But are Ultravox orthodox? And what about the singer Bono Vox?
Beth Ditto certainly is an atrocity who makes an exhibition of herself though. I'll give you that one.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:06,
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i can't face this.(
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:11,
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monty, am i being obtuse, or is plummy being daft?
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:13,
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These are not mutually exclusive things here.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:17,
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it means firmly considered to be one of the best and most important bands in the indie bracket.Note that 'important' is not the same as 'good' or 'best'. Some OT headz love misquoting me on that one.
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no it doesn't, the word canon means recognised, or orthodox, or basic.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:55,
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It's also a Church of England job title!!!!!!(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:55,
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it has other meanings.There is a canon of literature for instance.
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yes, and literatrue, as well as music, can be basic, or orthodox, or recognised, but the phrase firmly canon is the one i have a problem with, as it means fuck all.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:00,
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My 'canon' is getting well 'firmly' now.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:01,
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I bet you'd like to 'Cannon' his 'Balls', eh?(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:04,
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it means an accepted grouping of texts which represent a genre, movenent or wider classification.That's 'texts' in its academic sense, which includes music, films etc.
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i'm not denying that the word canon can be applied to music, (
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:10,
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It means nothing, it's verbal wank said by NME pricks who feel they have to justify and catergorise their enjoyment of pop music as some sort of intellectual pursuit.
It makes them think that three hours in a room with a album is worth their time.
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no, it really does have an applicable meaning.As a sci fi fan you should know what is meant by canon.
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Joy Division are as shit as The Smiths.The Beatles are slightly less shit than either of them in that they did a few good tunes rather than either none at all (Joy Division) or fifteen seconds of one (The Smiths).
I saw Joy Division's only nationwide UK TV performance on 'Punk Britannia at the BBC' the other day. Ian Curtis looked like an eppy on a running machine, sang like a Down's syndrome kid on barbituates and dressed like he worked in Burton's. He was also northern. The overall effect was a mixture of unintentionally hilarious and really, really shit.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:54,
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He looked like that because that is precisely what he was.And he was the talented one in the group. New Order? Fuck off.
Also, this is probably your fairest assessment of some bands yet.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:57,
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I too am a HUGE 'Heaven 17' fan.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:00,
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Would you like it more if I posted it wearing a cornflower blue Bathing Ape mankini?(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 13:22,
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I very much disagree with your viewpoint.Which therefore means that you are a FUCKING WANKER AND I HATE YOU AND WILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND ON O/T MAKING SNIDE REMARKS.
(, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:58, Reply)
People keep telling me that Pachelbel's canon.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 17 Sep 2012, 12:54,
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