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( , Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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All those people that come out of prison are much less likely to reoffend.
You are such a hippie.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:38, 3 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

And yes, I am.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:40, Reply)

then you should remove them from society. If you don't think that's a fair punishment, then don't imprison them.
Whether imprisoning somebody is fair or not is a different argument.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:41, Reply)

You can't stop them an ordinary prisoner speaking to their family, that's solitary confinement. You stop those if they end up in solitary. You remove their civil rights, not their human rights, in prison and voting is a civil right.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:48, Reply)

Because you'll find that we don't necessarily follow the EU in all things and we've shown by our actions as a country that we don't agree with the EU being the final arbiter on what happens to our citizens so, really, saying that the highest court in the EU disagrees is as useful as saying the highest court in the US or Namibia disagrees i.e. not at all.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:56, Reply)

( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:58, Reply)

then we haven't ratified or signed anything that gives the EU the right to tell us how our prisoners should vote, or not.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:00, Reply)

Not letting prisoners the vote, isn't just saying "our problem not yours" it's breaking an international treaty we signed. It's not the end of the world, no, but it's not simply ignoring someone who has no authority.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:03, Reply)

which parts of signed European agreements that we actually follow is right or not, I'm just pointing out that we've decided not to follow this one so it's the UK high court, not the EU one that's salient when discussing UK prisoners.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:06, Reply)

it's obviously the court of human rights that counts.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:10, Reply)

still happened though.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:05, Reply)

Then maybe they might stand a chance of not reoffending.
I never said anything about not imprisoning offenders or it not being fair. I'm just pointing out that there are (theoretically, at least) two strands to our criminal justice system - punishment and rehabilitation.
Otherwise you might as well just take the American approach and lock people away for as long as possible.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:46, Reply)

I don't see how this is applicable. Prison is prison, it is not a holiday camp. They have their civil rights removed for crimes against society.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:49, Reply)

And they are taught trades as part of the rehabilitation program.
What purpose does removing a civil right, such as the right to vote, have anyway?
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:56, Reply)

By putting them in prison you are, as a society, stating that this person is undesirable and does not deserve to be a free member of society. I'd say the freedom to vote and thereby have a say in the direction the country takes is a pretty big part of being a free member of society.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:58, Reply)

My point is that the removal of freedom is already the punishment part of it, so why is there any need to add further punishment?
By putting them in prison we are stating that this is their punishment and not all of these undesirable people receive custodial sentences.
Prisoners are still a part of society. They are still there and likely to return.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:03, Reply)

Do you think cons should be allowed to be called up for jury service?
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:13, Reply)

get them to fuck off to australia perhaps.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:42, Reply)

Where does that leave poor Poppet when Battered steps off the plane, eh?
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 15:11, Reply)

( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:44, Reply)

If you're going to imprison somebody and take away their rights as a free citizen, then that is what you should do.
( , Wed 24 Oct 2012, 14:46, Reply)
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