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rob, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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I was shocked when Sophie Lancaster was murderedBut I have a slight issue with hate crime laws. I am of the opinion that the motivation behind a crime shouldn't affect the sentencing. If you get 20 years for kicking someone to death because you caught them shagging your wife you should get the same for kicking someone to death because they are gay/black/jewish/goth/emo/punk etc. Hate crime laws seem to reinforce the view that black people are different to white people and homosexuals are different to straight people when we are all people and the colour of our skin, the way we dress and who we fuck is never going to stop becoming an issue until people stop talking about it.
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Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:15,
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What if you catch a black jewish emo fucking your wife?(
Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:17,
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+again(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:17,
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So you have no problems with non-cornish people buying houses in your area then?(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:17,
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Bit slow in here today innit?(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:33,
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But not Lisa Bonet(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:47,
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Poor Robert Downey, Jr.Tropic Thunderlolz
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hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:46,
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Interesting pointbut we can hardly scrap hate crime laws and just hope that if we tell the sort of cunts who think it's OK to violently discriminate against minorities to "just give it a rest eh", they will.
I think you're right, that everyone SHOULD be able to live their lives free free threats based on their creed or lifestyle, but a lot people are cunts, and it's important to legislate against cunts.
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Is this about people from Derby?(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:47,
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I know all those words but in context they make no senseHave they started forcing actual people to live in D***y?
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That would be a punishmentSecond only to making them live in Coventry
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hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:51,
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When I'm Prime MinisterI'm going to construct one-way force fields around them both. Those are totally real things.
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Talking of real things www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEDboC4mBYk
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hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:56,
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But you don't say give it a restyou punish them as you would punish anyone else who violently attacks anyone. I shouldn't make any difference what group you come from. If I am attacked is the attacker going to get away with it because I am not a black, gay, transgender, goth, Jew
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Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 8:55,
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Bloke in the warehouse next door punched my boss and called him a 'Jewish cunt'The police's response was completely different (by their own admission) because of the word 'Jewish'. Punching someone and call them a 'cunt' isn't really much of an issue on its own, it seems.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:00,
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It just jumps up the crime hierachy one notch.Like the difference between giving someone your wallet when they threaten you (mugging) and them taking it off you while threatening you (robbery)
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Just because their response was different doesn't mean that it wouldn't otherwise have been an issue.I assume the difference with a 'hate crime' is that the perpetrator poses more of a general threat than say, someone who has punched their boss over a petty dispute at work or beats someone up for sleeping with their wife or whatever.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:06,
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Actually I have two, but yes.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:09,
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Nah they said they were obliged to attend in person within 20 mins if there was a 'race' element to it.They can take their time if someone's gone mental and hit someone - provided they don't say any specific terms off a checklist written up by some handwringing Livingstone wanker.
'Fat cunt' - see you in a bit
'ginger freak cunt' - we aim to reply to your letter within 14 days
'paki' - NEE-NARR-NEE-NARR-NEE-NARR
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:10,
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There's got to be a way to catergorise crimes and direct police to them based on the danger or consequences.It's never going to be perfect, but I don't see your problem with it.
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10CC's Far right traZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz(
hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:15,
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The Boomtown Ratszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz surely?(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:17,
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Wonder if they'd attend quick if two white guys were fighting cos one had called the other a "nigger"(, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:12, Reply)
Yeah this is a very good pointand will it lead to the victims of attacks attempting to press hate crime charges out of spite, claiming that the odd earring they were wearing identified them as a goth in the eyes of the attacker, etc.
Nonetheless - people are entitled to not feel threatened based on their appearance. And we both know that the main reason why, if you were attacked, the assailants might get away with it is because they probably won't get caught. If they were, they'd get a decent amount of CS hours despite your non-minority status.
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The point is that people are entitled not to feel threatened,regardless of the specifics of the threat, surely?
Why should some rhinestoned screamo spacker get different treatment from a fattie or a ranga?
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:06,
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Oh, none takenI'll be alright anyway I'm fucking nails mate
Obviously you're right, the laws are being adjusted to greater protect those who feel they're discriminated against more. Which obviously opens up the question, are rhinestoned screamo spackers actually getting more kickings per capita than normals, or are they just making more of a fuss because they feel they're being discriminated against?
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Someone will claim they've been attacked for being a 'chav' I expect.That's kind of a youth subculture isn't it?
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:19,
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I like to think that if a bunch of goths, famously the weediest of all subcultures, kicked shit out of a chavthe police would give them a round of applause once they'd finished laughing, but you're right, that's the logical endgame; EVERYTHING is a hate crime and we're back to square one.
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Where does it end thoughCurrently Furries are not covered by hate crime laws
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Peej, Thu 4 Apr 2013, 9:07,
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