alright Citizen Smith
I grew up with kids whose dads worked on the oil rigs. Very coarse men- coarse in manners, views and education. They also got paid extremely well and bought their council houses, had two car families and probably voted Labour; I never asked, I was just a kid.

That's working class. Or is it? Because you know, home ownership and two car households etc are pretty middle class, aren't they? Long term unemployment and council housing is what? Lower middle? Upper working? Help me out here, you're the John Berger around here, chronicling the decline and passing of the peasant way of life, please elucidate.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 22:34, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

There's no shame in being middle-class.
On the other hand, claiming to be something you really aren't, without even being aware of why you aren't it, is laughable.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 22:49, Reply)

You're not stupid Woodsie, not in the slightest
So you should be totes on-message about how traditional definitions of class have shifted considerably over the last thirty-odd years. There's more to class than occupation or income bracket or schooling or reading habits.

You know this, you must do.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 22:52, Reply)

so how does one decide these days?
I'm genuinely a bit lost one where I fall. I think lower middle, but could very well be wrong.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 22:59, Reply)

Ask Wooderz, he's the expert.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:00, Reply)

I was asking you, as you seem to have opinions.
but feel free not to risk expressing a sincere opinion
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:02, Reply)

Down a hole whilst cycling, hopefully

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:04, Reply)

clickin dis

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:06, Reply)

you handle rejection badly ginge.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:09, Reply)

I LoL'd at my own wit

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:12, Reply)

gosh, you are easily amused.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:13, Reply)

Well, one lol is better than none, eh chubbo?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:13, Reply)

Says the guy who "clicked 'dis"

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:15, Reply)

It takes a lot for me to even crack a smile.
I click only rarely. Nothing on here has genuinely made me physically lol in a long long time.

Awright babydoll?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:17, Reply)

Try a mirror?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:19, Reply)

Nah, I'm not good with mirrors.
I get entranced and stay there for hours.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:21, Reply)

Yes, it's a state of mind.
My previous point still stands though.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:01, Reply)

Indeed it is a state of mind.
But I ent going to beaker about it here.

You ever in Leeds city centre?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:04, Reply)

Only to catch trains.
I live in Cleckheaton and work in Halifax, so it's a long way out of my way, usually the wrong way.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:07, Reply)

Cleck and Halifax are way out of my way.
I only frequent Leeds and York, sozzles.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:08, Reply)

There's a cracking boozer on the platform at Dewsbury station, 15 minutes past Leeds.
Added bonus: you don't even have to see any of Dewsbury itself.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:19, Reply)

How easy is it to ticket dodge?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:20, Reply)

Depends how crowded it is.
Inspectors generally start checking tickets at the back and work their way forwards, so if it's really rammed you might be able to get away with it if you're in the front coach.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:24, Reply)

I was born in halifax
My uncle and cousin are still there. Don't go much since my grandma died, but I always like going, it reminds me of being little. Some stunning scenery there.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:13, Reply)

You're not wrong there.
Plus where I work is quite high up, so you get some fantastic views across the valley and over the moorlands.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:17, Reply)

I like savile park when the crocuses come out too
It's such a shame so much of the town centre is run down, such pretty buildings
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:18, Reply)

Do you think Battered ever uses that phrase? Or does he say 'when I was very young'?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:18, Reply)

says the man an inch shorter than him.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:20, Reply)

ACTUALLY
Tangers reckons I'm taller than Battso. But not by much.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:22, Reply)

nope, you've both posted your heights and you're shorted.
tangl;es is a fucking beanpole, so you're both way down from him.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:23, Reply)

Until the day that Battered and I stand back to back and someone checks, I'll go with the viewpoint of someone who has actually met the both of us.
I mean, that seems like the most sensible course of action.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:25, Reply)

What, and the hamster wriggles from your butt to his?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:26, Reply)

why the massive denial? you a short man, possibly the shortest here.
all this 'average height' bullshit is like a guy with a small dick trying to fool himself...
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:29, Reply)

why all the h8ing?
Why do you feel the need to paint me as the shortest man here? Which is Gonz, by all accounts.

Maybe if I grew a mohican I would look a bit taller, eh?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:30, Reply)

you couldn't carry it off.
'night.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:32, Reply)

Work want me to go to Halifax.
I have yet to find a decent hotel.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:23, Reply)

Good luck there.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:24, Reply)

I found some sort of castle type thing
But I'd need to book all of the rooms, which would put me over the allowed expense for the night.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:26, Reply)

Speaking of castles, I saw the perfect period property in York for my next house.
I know it's not a castle, but it's close enough for me:

www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/26532968
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:29, Reply)

Makes sense.
York has absolutely no history whatsoever of flooding.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:31, Reply)

I thought precisely the same thing.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:32, Reply)

Have a look round Elland and/or Brighouse.
They're just down the road and nearer the motorway, so they should have a bit more choice.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:30, Reply)

Motorway?
God, I'm not driving.

If work can't get me there in a plane or on a train I'm not going.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:32, Reply)

In which case, how about Hebden Bridge.
It's a nice little town 10-15 minutes from Halifax by train, you might even pass through it on the way there.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:39, Reply)

Thanks.
I shall investigate.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 16 Jul 2013, 23:40, Reply)