NO I DUN TROLLED U LOL

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 15:52, 1 reply, 11 years ago)

Excellent. You managed to reply without calling anyone an idiot, spastic, or a cunt.
There may be hope for you.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:07, Reply)

I love it when people on b3ta try and be the bigger person by getting upset at swears

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:10, Reply)

Oh wait a minute - you're being funny here now, aren't you?

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:11, Reply)

No funnier than you were when you got upset that I was rude to someone on this forum, which revels in the use of goatse, lemon party, tubgirl, the word cunt and jokes about raping babies.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:13, Reply)

I don't think anyone was getting upset Al - apart from perhaps yourself.
Calling someone an idiot because they don't agree with you makes you look like, well, an idiot.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:18, Reply)

As I said, the problem that Kroney had, and that you evidently had too, is that you've completely failed to read my original post.
I said I was fed up of people blaming benefit claimants, when, regardless of whether or not a tiny minority of such claims are fraudulent, they have had no meaningful impact on the problems we have experienced in the economy.

Those problems were caused by a collapse of the banking system which, regardless of whether you feel better regulation should have been brought in earlier, or since, was down to people working in those institutions being both criminals and incompetents. And yet nobody is blaming them or forcing through change.

In response to my assertion that I couldn't be bothered any more because I found people parroting the same lies over and over without any thought as to whether or not they were in fact lies, Kroney came out with this gem "This business of it being more lucrative to stay on benefits than to work for a living is patently ridiculous."

Now, as your attention span appears to be quite short I'll reiterate my original problem, that I find endless blaming of the benefits system, despite it not being even a minor contributory cause to the economic problems, to be very depressing and representative of a nasty selfish attitude which is seemingly impossible to change.

As I said to swipe below, it's not my job to gently cajole Kroney and explain the untrue things he's spouting, but I also don't want to just let him say it and reinforce his misguided opinion based on a lie.

He's not an idiot for having a different opinion to me, he's an idiot for believing that benefits somehow support a lavish lifestyle for lots of people who simply can't be bothered to work.

Does that clear things up?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:28, Reply)

the real problem is that people on benefits are ugly
i might support a campaign for benefits for a cut and colour and a manicure
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:31, Reply)

too far?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:31, Reply)

I dunno, you've met me, what do you reckon?

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:34, Reply)

I reckon your snazzy green coat should get you extra money.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:36, Reply)

I reckon so too.
Or, alternatively, beaten up in the jobcentre.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:37, Reply)

Now, while there is no way of demonstrating my current feelings
I hope that the fact that I have set out my argument in clear and concise way should reassure you that I am not "HAHA LOL UPSET"
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:31, Reply)

the national debt is nearly 1.5 trillion
which coincidentally is what the government gave all the banks to bail them out.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:32, Reply)

"This business of it being more lucrative to stay on benefits than to work for a living is patently ridiculous."
Out of context I could take this two ways: The first being that people who believe this to be the case are clearly idiots, or latterly, that a situation where someone is better off on benefits than being in work is ridiculous.

I'm not sure which one was meant.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:34, Reply)

He meant it in the second sense. He thinks that there are a lot of people better off on benefits rather than working, and feels this is ridiculous

(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:36, Reply)

Would that include people working fewer hours, on low pay, and getting it topped up with tax credits
just to bring them up to a halfway decent standard of living?
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:38, Reply)

I didn't get that impression, from the context he was referring to people living a life of luxury
with fags and flat screen tv's paid for by the state with them doing nothing.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:39, Reply)

oh, you mean members of parliament
liddlebiddapoliticsladiesangennelmen
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:42, Reply)

There may well be some circumstances where a large family
are better off claiming benefits than working once you take into account factors like paying rent, council tax and childcare etc. I have seen a few myself. But the time comes when the last child leaves full time education, and then suddenly all that lovely free money dries up, and they're fucked, especially in the case of single parents (mostly mothers) who haven't worked for 20-odd years and suddenly find themselves having to jump through job hunting hoops.

Also, I'm out of work at the moment and have a flat screen TV. Which I bought 4 years ago, when I was working.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:43, Reply)

I'm not saying that the situation doesn't exist where some people will end up being entitled to a number of benefits
because of their kids etc.

What I've said is that the existence of a few people like that is not the reason we have a fucked economy. And taking steps to stop that tiny minority of people form getting as much money has the knock on effect of really, really hurting the majority of people who need some help so that they don't starve to death.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:45, Reply)

"if you want to know a man's character, look at how he treats his inferiors"
albus dumbledore, I believe
(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:47, Reply)

Oh, I wholly agree with you on that score.
See also "benefit tourism is bleeding the country dry". Er, no it isn't, it's costing the country a very small amount of money in the grand scheme of things. It happens, yeah, but not to the extent they'd have you believe.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:49, Reply)

You see, you have formed this opinion by looking at actual facts
Which is why you're not an idiot.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:53, Reply)

Mismanagement of the Universal Credit IT system
has cost more than benefit tourism in the last year. I'd be interested at seeing how much money various governments have squandered on shite computer systems over the last 20 years, including systems that were scrapped before even coming on line because they just didn't work.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:56, Reply)

or the benefits of working make him look ridiculous

(katie hopkins telling it where its at, Thu 24 Apr 2014, 16:39, Reply)

Apols for the delay, had to take my daughter to dance rehearsals.
This may come as a surprise to you Al, but I fully understood both sides of the argument. Your condescending tone does you no favours though, as usual.

In regards to Kroney's post, I simply took it to mean that if an individual is better off on benefits than going to work, then that is a ridiculous situation. I didn't infer from it that it is a particularly widespread problem, but clearly in a small number of cases it does happen. I have known one or two cases myself.

I didn't see (unless there were deletions) Kroney saying that it was a widespread problem, or indeed that it was crippling the economy.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 24 Apr 2014, 17:50, Reply)