Reply to me Deadly Octopus!
I want to compare your views to Fascism
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:12, 2 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

You buy the daft bint a farmhouse then.

( girlinthehole, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:16, Reply)

No, but then no one is going to buy them a farmhouse,
so that's a pointless line of argument.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:17, Reply)

what would be your suggestion?
genuinely curious. I don't have any ideas
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:18, Reply)

Give them all the support they're entitled to,
if they're causing constant trouble to the neighbourhood then they should be moved. Obviously that'll be a problem because there aren't many suitable properties.

but there aren't any simple solutions. That's not my point, my point is that saying "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!" is stupid especially when you start thinking of them as 14 people rather than 1 family.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:28, Reply)

SILENCE YOUR VOICE OF REASON!
you are, of course, right. As there is no law saying how many kids you can have, then they are entitled to the same as everyone else.

She should still be kicked in the twat though.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:31, Reply)

I would be suprised if the couple are "normal"
in terms of IQ or mental illness. You can't stop people having kids though, you just have to make sure that they don't mistreat them, which I'm sure the council are doing.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:35, Reply)

*says the magic words. baby P*
( girlinthehole, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:43, Reply)

Having a lot of children doesn't mean that you will sadistically beat them to death.
don't be silly.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:45, Reply)

obviously
it means you can spread the abuse between them, rather than concentrating it all on one
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:47, Reply)

I was insinutating that the council will not be keeping a close eye on them.

( girlinthehole, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:50, Reply)

We should do what they did in India
and sterilise all criminals!
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:47, Reply)

and spackers. And Slavs.
*for the second time today, invades Poland*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:52, Reply)

I wasn't arguing.
I was making a fatuous remark.
( girlinthehole, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:20, Reply)

are you calling me fat?

(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:28, Reply)

Yes fatty.

( girlinthehole, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:35, Reply)

Yeah, it's a tough one alright. Let's just encourage rampant breeding by anyone who can stick the long bit into the hole. And it does seem odd to indirectly compare the Chinese to fascists, there are many things, but I didn't think they were that.
(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:34, Reply)

... so you think the chinese model for population control is a good thing?
oh and what part of the country/government/society encourages rampant child birth? Our birth rate has been falling since the 50's (may be going up again in the last 6 months)
One example of a family is not a trend or indicative of a systematic failure.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:37, Reply)

Well...
... by all reasonable estimates, it's meant that the population of this poor likkle planet is half a billion fewer than it would otherwise be. And no part of the government or society encourages rampant sprogging - it's such a tiny percentage of people doing this that it isn't even statistically valid. But since you've read so much between the lines, you feel free to interpret any old opinion you want since you're already doing a jolly fine job of it.

Alternatively, we could talk about tea and kittens rather than being guilty of being serious on the internet.
(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:45, Reply)

there's a difference between taking things too seriously and having a serious conversation
and frankly either is preferable to talk of kittens
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:46, Reply)

These are wise words
Agreed on the kittens, agreed on the other bit too. Agreement. On the Internet. Twice.
(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:49, Reply)

Fuck tea and kittens,
It also means that there are hundreds of orphanages filled with female children that are just abbandoned. A massive increase in infanticide. A disproportionate effect on the rural poor over the urban elite.

There are two ways to reduce birth rate. Access to contraception and education. That's what has worked in every developed country.
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:52, Reply)

And I agree
On both counts. Contraception and education are best placed to equip people to make appropriate decisions. And just for the avoidance of doubt, incidentally, my rage in the initial post does not indicate I feel that the kiddies of these parents should suffer: I also agree that the best opportunity to avoid a loop where any of them repeat this situation is through support and education, but primarily, education. And the Chinese comment was poorly chosen: it's a situation that is too complex to be slapped in as a comparison to today's media wind-up story.
(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 9:57, Reply)

well that's this argument over.
Do you like U2?
(PsychoChomp, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:05, Reply)

Hahaha!
Yeah, they're alright. And you?
(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:07, Reply)

get out

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:09, Reply)

It's probably for the best

(Deadly Octopus no deaths since, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:11, Reply)

Oo, oo, I know! *waves arm in air*
If you're worried about rampant breeding but don't want to embark on a mass sterisiation project, let's just stop all fertility treatments. Ban IVF. Withdraw Clomid. Abolish Early Pregnancy Clinics. I bet it'd go some ways to evening out the numbers nicely.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:17, Reply)

Ban "free" IVF
Without a valid licence, the NHS or at least our local trust has pretty much banned it already.
( Weejock, Fri 11 Dec 2009, 10:54, Reply)