No, none of these kids were in school
they were on various control orders, most had no GCSEs, often they'd been kicked out of school and just never gone back and would have been considered as uncontrollable.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:09, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

I think the point still stands
9 (far smaller than any class I've ever attended, private or not) of non-racially mixed teenagers who to some extent have chosen to attend
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:14, Reply)

so what would you do with the problem kids in a class?
kick them out? that just makes for more social problems. Put them in a special class (which is effectively what we had)? - it's bloody expensive and very very difficult to run. At least in a mixed class you have exemplars.

I have to say, being a kid who was bright at school and well behaved I used to have similar opinions, having worked in the field, though, there is so much potential if you can convince the problem kids that education is worth it
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:18, Reply)

Perform the mandatory weeding
first of all. Kids with genuine severe educational and mental problems shouldn't be in mainstream education. It's harsh but until we've solved the other problems, it helps neither them nor anyone else.
Second a more sophisticated way of determining the factors that cause bad behaviour. Abuse for example.
Third when you've taken out the above factors you're left with a small core of children who not only actively do not learn, but impede everyone around them. And in those cases I think you have to do what's best for the majority. Isolate the others, pay an extra teacher to deal with them and attempt to reintroduce them at regular intervels.

I'm not speaking from the vantage point of a bright kid at school who thinks the bad kids should be punished, though if you ask me that hypothetical bright kid has a point. I'm speaking from the viewpoint of someone who is fed up that we continually sacrifice the many for the few
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:25, Reply)

I have to respectfully disagree
I'd form more arguments, but my typing hand hurts and this damn edge of screen thing is annoying.

We should have another thread and talk about cake or something. But only in small sentences
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:28, Reply)

mmm cake
lemon drizzle cake?

You should make althegeordie join the discussion. He'd call me a facist cunt who doesn't care about the needy.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:34, Reply)

my mrs makes the best lemon drizzle cake in the world
I hope you get to try it someday
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:43, Reply)

this makes my mouth water :(

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:47, Reply)