Well, yes, I get that
But how is it possible that she's allowed to do something like that. You love your daughter as much (or more) as her mother, you both have the right to look after her. I understand that it's best for her to live most of the time only at one house, but that you can't be with her without your ex checking on you all the time? That's unfair and stupid.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:09, 3 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

"that's unfair and stupid"
now you understand the legal system in this country as it regards to a father's rights to his children
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:11, Reply)

^^This

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:13, Reply)

If it didn't hurt so much, I would piss my pants at your naivety.
I am the father so I have no rights - the whole thing hangs on the whims of the mother under English law.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:11, Reply)

And you say it just like that?
And nobody complains? You have no blood, British! I can't believe you don't already have a society (or something similar) and haven't taken a group of cases to court. All together will make a lot more noise than one by one.

You are the fathers. The girl wouldn't be here without you. The mother doesn't have to prove that she's good for the kids, she just gets them, and you have to fight for a few hours on your own with her. FFS! Complain! But not here, complain properly!
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:16, Reply)

Hah
Oh people complain, there are societies.
( Kroney, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:17, Reply)

It's just a shame that they spurn legal proceedings in favour of Spiderman costumes...

(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:17, Reply)

I assume the stupid stunts aren't all they do

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:18, Reply)

They also get together and 'tut' .

(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:36, Reply)

AND TUT LOUDLY, TOO.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:38, Reply)

That's not entirely fair
They send angry emails to each other about it, too.

b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post863503
( Kroney, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:18, Reply)

Read up on Fathers for Justice
edit: although apparently they are useless losers
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:18, Reply)

Families Need Fathers aren't as bad
but are as completely pointless in the real world, apart from as advice-givers.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:29, Reply)

Again your naivety is actually quite endearing.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:18, Reply)

^this
it's like the fuel strikes and stuff, and the war protests. People do stuff, no one listens. Everyone goes home mildly disgruntled.

If it were France stuff would be on fire and rocks being hurled and the government might listen.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:19, Reply)

We protested against the war
and we changed president for not listening to us.

You have quite a good system here, as you can talk with your MPs directly, that's why usually you don't need to complaing loudly so much. But sometimes, like this one, seems necessary to make a big mess of it.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:26, Reply)

you can talk to them
but they won't listen

likewise with the protests here. They never amount to anything, and wouldn't even if people did try to make a big noise.

It'd ultimately end up with some knob getting violent, the police having to give him a beating, arrest everyone and they all get tarred with the same brush of being moronic rioters who definitely shouldn't be seeing their kids.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:27, Reply)

So true.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:29, Reply)

I don't know what else to say
Just that I'm sorry, and I hope everything improves. I really hope that when your daughter is a bit older she realises what's going on and stop her mum.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:32, Reply)

The last two weekends she's said she wants to go to Daddy's house.
It makes me want to cry, having to just change the subject. I feel a genuine physical pain in my chest just thinking about it.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:35, Reply)

I'm very sad for you too
and for your little one. It's going to be hard for her when she understands what's happening.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:44, Reply)

Again, I agree completely
The people who rule this country, be they MPs or heads of corporations, are untouchable and unaccountable, so why should they listen to the plebs?
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:30, Reply)

I hope you aren't suggesting I'm a pleb, old boy?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:34, Reply)

Perish the thought
I was talking about everyone else in the nation.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:39, Reply)

Thank goodness for that.
For a moment there....
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:40, Reply)

But haven't you looked after your daughter when your ex partner has wanted a night out?
How could she possibly argue to the court that you're unworthy of unsupervised access when she's happy for you to care for her on such occasions?
(Cave Duck, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:49, Reply)

A very salient point.
Thanks a lot
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 15:25, Reply)

Again,
because she's a mentalist.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 15:27, Reply)

The law over here
is strongly biased in favour of the mother. If she gets custody she can pretty much dictate when he sees his daughter. The courts can say "monty is entitled to x amount of contact", but it's up to him to enforce it through the courts if she simply refuses. He has to prove she's doing something wrong.
( Kroney, Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:13, Reply)

That's so wrong

(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:16, Reply)