It's not anyones fault is it really that's the sad thing.
Just unfortunate events and circumstances. Just horribly sad.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:14, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

They didn't help though
I know it's almost a case of 'Bullying: Someone's got to cop it' but it's so scary and lonely for the kid going through it. And not all of them have the strength and the foresight not to let it ruin them for the rest of their lives.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:17, Reply)

that's the truth
Especially shy kids like her
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:20, Reply)

oh no of course not
but there will never be a situation where teasing/bullying isn't in schools because it's a normal part of adult life. It's just a shame that children and some adults won't speak to someone. I don't even feel angry towards the bullies because I don't think they are old enough to fully comprehend what they are doing. I just feel sorry for the poor little girl. I don't think blaming people works really.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:21, Reply)

You're right
But occasionally the red mist descends and I feel like battering the little dickheads. Or pinning them to the wall in my Accord.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:25, Reply)

true true!
I shouted at a 4 year old last year for throwing mud and I lost my cool a little. I felt so guilty seconds after though it was horrible.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:28, Reply)

It would have been better
to have thrown mud back at him. A face full of brown gunge would have made the point adequately, I think.
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:29, Reply)

yes you can blame the kids
12 years old is not too young to understand consequences. At the age of 10 the law expects you to diffrentiate good and evil. They were nasty and cruel, not innocents
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:30, Reply)

Bullies aren't always aware of the effect they're having
A bit of name-calling might be like water off a duck's back to one kid, but might destroy another.
The threat of violence could be an invitation to a good ruck to one kid and absolutely terrifying to another.

There are people who bullied me and I bump into them now and they're all "Hi Roota, how you doing? I saw your nan the other day. Here's a photo of my baby."
Things get distorted. Some kids are evil bastards and know exactly what they're doing though.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:36, Reply)

you may be right
But I'm sticking to the conclusion that most of the time they know. I was bullied for ages for being 'ugly' and 'stupid' and those kids knew what they were doing. It was my good luck that I've never been good about caring about peoples opinions of me. Yet it still left a blot in early teenage years, and people I know suffer from severe after effects from relentless bullying. I don't find it plausible that there is no reason for people to bully, and if there is a reason there is understanding
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:43, Reply)

I think they had a Rolodex of 'reasons' to bully me
But meh, they were stupid and angry and if the urge to bully strikes, I guess it's a kid like me who's going to cop it.
Happiness and confidence are the best revenge.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:48, Reply)

I haven't met a 12 year old that I would confidently say was level headed and rational.
I don't doubt they can differentiate between right and wrong at all, but what there understanding of right and wrong is I can't comment on. I don't think at 12 anyone can be fully held repsonsible for their actions. I don't neccessarily believe it's all the parents fault either. I don't really see what beneficial results come out of blaming someone anyway. The kids responsible will learn from this, hopefully the teachers will, the system won't.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:37, Reply)

im afraid we'll have to disagree
12 year olds do have a sense of right and wrong if they are of average intelligence. And I don't think those kids will really learn from this tragedy bec_se it won't mean anything to them.n if they have little sense it was wrong as you claim, then why would they associate the 2 things, if they do as I think, they just wouldn't really care. Either way nothing is learned by anyone, until you fully impress the consequences
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:50, Reply)

the consequences for a lot of kids is that they overcome the bullying
and go one to be even more confident and happy than they would have otherwise been.
Swings and roundabouts, and it won't stop happening.
All anyone else can do is step in when it does. I'm a bullying and harrassment advisor at work and I think people will always try it on, you know, pick their mark, see who's weak. We need to teach people and kids how to nip it right in the bud and not be intimidated.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 12:54, Reply)

good point, well made. I hope you are wrong though. I want to believe
that the children responsible will one day realise what they did and make changes. It's an idealistic view I know.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 13:00, Reply)

One lad who bullied me now beats his own kids
Another girl who bullied me has a fairly decent job and is by all accounts a good mother. We've made amends but I draw the line at being her friend on facebook
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 13:06, Reply)

Although there are many sides to every story.
For example, a lot of the bullies (not all of them) came from homes where, at best it was bullying in the home, at at worst, abuse.

It wouldn't suprise me to find that the bully's parents, at least some of them, were drunking abusive shitholes, and if that's the case, that death is on their hands.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 5 Oct 2010, 13:06, Reply)